The vice presidential candidates sparred over everything from social security and taxes to abortion. Some undecided voters found Joe Biden's numerous facial expressions off-putting, while others relished the emotional display. NBC's Ron Mott reports.
Vice President Joe Biden keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate last night.
Tonight, Ed welcomes Richard Wolffe, Vice President and Executive Editor of MSNBC.com and MSNBC Political Analyst, on the education of Congressman Paul Ryan.
The war on women was alive and well last night, with revealing answers to a question about abortion. Terry O'Neill, President of the National Organization for Women, joins me, next.
Paul Ryan defends his tax plan but not very convincingly. David Cay Johnston, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, and author ("The Fine Print: How Big Companies Use ‘Plain English’ To Rob You Blind") takes a crack at Ryan’s “six study” lie.
Then, Republicans freak out over Vice President Joe Biden’s big win. Former DNC Communications Director and MSNBC Political Analyst Karen Finney joins Ed for that.
And in the Big Finish, Bain Capital is sending American jobs overseas and Mitt Romney is refusing to step in.
Tonight, Ed will ask Leo Gerard, President of the United Steelworkers, about a massive protest in Freeport, Illinois, where they are warning the country about Mitt Romney's vision for America.
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Way too go Joe!
Yes good job. but we have not notice Ryan explaining the tax plan when mitt told Our president he had no tax plan what was he talking about LOL
Explain to me why MSNBC and especifically the ED Show are the only ones that I have seen that say Biden won the debate CNN says there poll says Ryan won 48% to 44% for Biden. Where does this pro-democrat network get its facts checked. The Ed show and Biden's demeanor are the same towards Republicans, rude and disrespectful. That is why they have real difficulty getting the Republicans to work with them on any issue. The Ed show and Biden act like RABID animals that need to be put to sleep.
JMarkC - you know you should bring your complaint to POLITICO.COM They are your kind. MSNBC has all the top notch journalist in case you have not notice that..I am bringing it to your attention. Not that I am speaking as a Democrat (Liberal otherwise Progressive) as a Journalist myself I can only relate with the truth. All of the MSNBC Crew EVERYONE not only Ed Schultz except with JOE SCARBOROUGH the ODDBALL OF NBC (he should join the Fox News people he actually belong there not on NBC) I only deal with the TRUTH. I don't just listen or parrot everything I hear or see, I painstakingly do my own research of the facts...but knowing that you are a REPUBLICAN you do not believe on fact checking you believe what you hear or see or what you can parrot what has been said or done. Your assumption of Mr. Schultz is erroneously mistaken and if you have no belief on the Vice President Mr. Joe Biden nor any respect for the VP or President, I don't see why you are in this company. You need to do your complaint or comment with your fellow Republicans at Fox News or Politico or CNN which is fast becoming like the Fox News Center. Yes, the Vice President won this debate and I am glad he did what he did to that BLATANT LIAR PAUL RYAN call him out on all his LIES and stop corrupting the innocent who does not know any better like yourself. At the Presidential Debate, I believe that the President was extremely POLITE which made him seem to lose the Debate but not really..the President let Romney run the course and I hope he will not do that again. This election is my future, the future I would like to believe that I will be able to enjoy freedom without its Republican elected personnel tell me how to manage my VAGINA and what I want to do with my sex life. There is a lot you do not know about Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney, I can tell and if this is the people you select to elect, more power to you. I do not want this two turkeys privatizing my Social Security or issue me a voucher for my Medicare (I like my Medicare the way it is) or take away the Medicaid for the poor and the indigent that most need them, take away the Pell Grant for the education of my children to be able to go to Ivy League Schools (not only for the rich but for the poor as well), Cut all the food stamps because they think its the minority who benefits from this programs not knowing that the poor White Folks and their children are mostly the recipient of this program. They Lie about the Welfare Program telling all the untruthful things about it and false witness the President for it. These Republicans has done enough damage without being in the OVAL OFFICE how much more if they are the occupiers of such noble office. Republicans want us to go to war...fight a war and send all our kids to die and those who survive and come back Republicans don't even care to PASS THE VETERAN JOBS ACT the POTUS would like to put in place for the returning Veterans of the war and you tell Ed Schultz acts like a RABID animal??? or say the same to our Vice President? How you think I feel? Same way they all feel...Ed, Chris, Lawrence, Rachel, Al and every one else in the NBC Crew..if you call them RABID....I may just snap myself with all the LIES I HEAR FROM THE REPUBLICANS and not care about the people...American Jobs Act...the Transportation Bill Act...which will put many people to work the REPUBLICAN HOUSE ALL VOTED AGAINST IT. So tell me....what do you care about? I am with all the MSNBC CREW who are as FRUSTRATED AS I AM. So to you....we act RABIDLY LIKE ANIMALS.
Biden did exactly what every person standing listening to the Romney/Ryan speeches should do, laugh in their faces with each lie and ever changing position and statement they make. I like to call this duo the 'Pinocchio Ticket".
PRUSSEL....You're an idiot. all those words for nothing. You claim to be a journalist and yet you have dozens of grammar errors. Ever heard of a Paragraph buddy?
Anyone who thinks these people on MSNBC are the best need to get smacked upside the head. Why is MSNBC the 4th watched news station? Why becuase they are to far left and only speak about one side of the story. They never have a bad thing to say about the left, and will do what they can to promote the left. They still think this Libya attack was about a video, or the intelligence's fault. They won't blame the POTUS because they might hurt his chances of winning.
You sir are an idiot, extremist, radical and so on. Face it, Romney is winning the white house.
Just what is that mark that the repubs/tea-partiers have on their American flag pins ? What ever it is , they are de-facing and de-grading the American flag with arrogance and showing that they could care less about our flag , just for the simple fact that they are changing the design of our flag !
Hell-of-a-great-job in the debate Mr. VP Biden !
Thom Hartman says:
The Romney/Ryan ticket walked into a buzz saw Thursday night during the Vice Presidential debate. That buzz saw was named Joe Biden. In stark contrast from President Obama's debate performance last week - Joe Biden was the aggressor all night - not letting one convenient lie from Paul Ryan go unchallenged.
Biden exposed Romney and Ryan's plans to voucherize Medicare. He exposed their plans to stick the middle class with a tax hike while giving the super rich a massive tax cut. He exposed the hypocrisy of Paul Ryan criticizing the stimulus act, while at the same time Ryan was writing letters to Biden asking for stimulus funding to create jobs in his Congressional district. He exposed Ryan's previous attempts to privatize Social Security. And he exposed Ryan as belonging to a Party that has been committed to obstruction over the last four years preventing a genuine economic recovery.
If Vice President Joe Biden accomplished one thing Thursday night - it was to hype the Democratic base - and give his and the President's re-election campaign some much needed energy and focus with just a few weeks to go until the election.
Gee you made through a post without the word "hate".
Incredible.
Didn't notice that about the pins, MS. Have to watch for it.
Biden kicked Ryans butt last night.
Good post, TMom.
Like a drunk in a bar room fight, you have no clue you are getting the crap beat out of you!
Now go get some green stars will you.
MS...
Was it any of these?
Or these?
It's overlaid with the logo of the Secret Service. They gave them to Romney and Ryan when they began providing security.
Gotcha!
Back in chains got his azz kicked.
He acked like Curly of the 3 stooges with his snickering & laughing.
Maybe 1 to many prozacs fo joe back in chains.
Amen to that! Put him in shabby clothes and send him out to the Venice Beach boardwalk and he would fit right in w/ the rest of the loonies.
Nah, we'll just re-elect him. See ya at the polls!
The Romney/Ryan ticket walked into a buzz saw
More like a rerun of Gilligan's island.
So you agree they are a couple of lying clowns. Funny.
Sure what ever you say.
I thought about the debate for a little bit and came to the conclusion that I do NOT care how they bring their point across...laugh, throw your hands up...whatever.
I WANT TO HEAR THEIR PLATFORMS...WHAT THEY STAND FOR...AND WHAT THE PLAN IS TO HOW THEY ARE GOING TO GET IT DONE!
Romney and Ryan, even at this late date in the election, will NOT provide exactly what their plans are.
I still feel they do not care about almost half of the population...I cannot in good conscience vote for Romney/Ryan.
Biden lied the whole time, and and he's a lying dog and and and he uh, he......lied.............and, he.............he's a liar .......and he.............. Well, Romney will beat Obama again next debate ...............cuz, all Obama does is lie............and, uh, and he...lied! LOL,
That's what the libs were here were saying about Romney after he trounced Obama in the fisrt debate! LMAO!
Biden a lying dog? what about Ryan? he lied through his gap so much he couldn't keep up. Reason you don't like Obama is the simple fact that he's a black man in a white man' position and getting things done that Bush Jr (one of your favorite idiots), or his predecessors couldn't do in a timely manner.
Sweets, what you need to do is to move to a country where things like this is run and find out how your freedom to live a life you've gotten so comfortable with goes.
The voting booth will tell the tale. Keep kidding yourselves Dems. They are about to be out of a job.
You are hilarious Sullyman. Romney lies every time he opens his mouth.
Just look back at any footage...and I mean way back to present. At one event he says he's against this...then he meets with his rich contributors and says that...then he steps out onto the debate stage and says something completely different.
Look at his "platform"(LOL! He will not share what his platform is!) on womens rights...he's not for...then he is for...then he's not for...JEEZ! What the heck do you REALLY stand for!
WOW...that's one HONEST man...yeah right.
Have to ask a few questions to the many Obama voters because this is surreal:
What is it about high unemployment that you people like?
What is it about high gas prices that you people like?
What is it about high food prices that you people like? What is it about 1 in 6 Americans living in poverty that you like?
What is it about the $6 trillion deeper in debt that you people like?
What is it about higher taxes that you people like?
What is it about more and crippling regulations that you people like?
What is it about future uncertainty that you people like?
What is it about the weakened military and a weakened USA that you people like?
What is it about the death of an American Ambassador and three other Americans because of lack of security, (even though they pleaded for it), that you people like?
you really need to take a look at what's really stopping the economic growth! I've seen many instances where the Dems have tried to reach over the isle...as Ryan put it...and the Repugs said NO... The only goal for the Repugs was to shut down the Presidency.
The President has nothing to do with gas prices...DUH!!!
Gas fuels our trucks to move our food around to different locations...DUH!
You need to look at who exactly signed what in regards to your last point. You guessed it...RYAN signed to reduce security funding...nice...
It's time to END the BUSH era completely. He started wars based on NOTHING...Talk about a liar!
yikes...I can't stand to go on...
You're something else...
Joe nailed it!
"Yes," Ryan replied, "but I'll be all right tomorrow."
"Republican Dance"
There's a place prechance..Where the republican's do their dance
And the dance they pursue..Is enough to eschew
And the bills they kill...Is enough to take a pill
And the pill they take..Is enough to fry a snake
And the snake they fry..Is enough to for them to lie
And the lie they tell..Is enough to go to well
Joe hit it out of the park last night!
Ed, this show is one of your best. You and Joe Biden both rock the house! We love you Ed!
Did you notice how much water Rep. Ryan drank last night? Dry mouth is classic symptom of lying.
Dry mouth is a classic symptom of nervousness. I get nervous around crazy old men too.
And why was he nervous? Because he knew he was lying. I'd get nervous too if I was lying to 70,000,000 ppl.
Joe Biden gave Ryan a spanking and didn't let him get away with his lies. Thumbs up Mr. VP!!
Did anyone notice how much water Rep. Ryan drank last night? Dry mouth is a classic sign of lying. The only time I saw that he did not have dry mouth was when he was talking about his religion and abortion stance.
Good point!
4 dead American, and joe back in chains laughs.
Same for the special ed show bloggers, they make fun of the dead Americans.
How nice of you all.
The first American ambassador to be killed sense carter, and all you people can do is laugh.
Ho. You are a fool. No one here laughs at ANY American dying. Where have you read that on this board. Shows how clueless you are.
kv. It's clueless about anything that doesn't come from Fox Lies. It also is clueless about the truth that Ryan voted to cut embasy security by $369million. It's also clueless about the agreements signed by countries stating that, that country is responsible for security. In other words, it's here to spread it's hate for the Democrats and this country.
The special ed show liberals and their made up BS.
Next Ryan did not vote to cut any embassy security.
Just make things up as you go, like the 3 windmills that run on 3 MPH in a gorge that dose not exist.
What was the name of the company in Illinois that Bain closed and forced the workers to train their Chinese replacements Cow@!$%#? You were schooled on it twice. Now impress me with the answer.
Yay for Biden! Now the Dems need to take the gloves off and fight the way the Republicans always have!
Joe did an excellent job last night,he was outstanding
Yeah.....Everybody Loves A Clown.
Got Romney?
I am a proud American who has been progressive for many years. I am the father of a gay man, the brother of a conservative and was disabled while serving the Department of Homeland Security under G. W. Bush. I didn't like or vote for Bush, but the 9/11 event dictated that any able-bodied citizen that could, take action in service and protection of our country. I was too old for the military.
I am human too. I made many mistakes that kept me out of college and got me in trouble as a kid. I'm an average American who relies now on Medicare for my coverage (with Medicare Advantage Plan) and Social Security Disability (which I paid into for many many years.
I want to thank Joe Biden and Barack Obama for representing me and those who feel helpless or voiceless. I'd like to thank Joe particularly for BEING like me and KNOWING what we feel. I'd like to say for the record that my benefits have been simplified, maintained and I am (I think) receiving a COLA increase next year.
The simple truth is that everything Obama and Biden have done in the first term helped my situation and has enabled me to spend a little bit of money on art supplies and batteries for my camera. My camera and art may be the only way I have to make extra income on the side.
You see Ed ... we who receive the benefits we paid for through our careers, take responsibility by TRYING to do whatever we can to survive, give back when we can, and create little niche industries in which we can thrive. I have a freezer full of pot pies and frozen pizzas (1.00 apiece) and do not use Food Stamps, even though I am eligible. We are the ones who take responsibility ... Romney is the one who hides his money and hoardes it. Romney is the one who does not take responsibility. Romney never had to take responsibility ... daddy took it all for him. Ryan is nothing more than a young punk with no clue of what it is to suffer.
Thank you Joe, Barack and ED!
Seth Shotwell
Bothell, WA
And everything will continue to be fine.... for a few more years. Then it will fall out from under you. Take some pain now in reform or lose it all later in insolvency. Ryan knows this and is trying to deal with it. Biden is a schill telling you what you want to hear and buying your vote with short-term patches.
You are a classic idiot if you think Ly'in Ryan will save Medicare. Hell they want to privatise it with vouchers for private insurance that will cost senior citizens an extra 6,400 a year IF you can find one that will insure 70 and 80 yr old ppl. Sorry kook, the only ppl buying that BS are you sucker teabaggers. Snake oil peddlers need not apply for president, or vice president.
WTG Smokin Joe !! I Loved watching Lyin Ryan squirm as Joe called him out on all his and Romney's Bogus Lies ! NOW it's Romneys turn!
Here we go again stupid people making idiotic remarks. If there is anyone to blame for the lack of security in Libya you should look to your boy Ryan, who voted to take funding away for just this purpose, and Mr.Biden called Ryan on it. Were you not watching or you just blocked it out. How is it you missed this important exchange. I'am sure Mr. Biden was saddened by the loss, thats the kind of man he is ,but the trash Ryan was trying to unload was the reason for the laughter and smerks. Mr. Biden knew the ambassador personally and I'am sure was deeply saddened by these events
For all those fools who think that Romney and Ryan will make life easier for us non 1% need to remove those rose colored glasses that has blinded you from seeing the truth. With Bain putting people out of work, due to Romney and his factions, it's something that should make people think.
Not only does his actions put a bad name on the religion (it's a cult to me, and always will be), but it gives republicans a bad name to showing what kind of people they are. I don't trust Romney, or Ryan; let alone any republicans who feel that those who don't make over a million dollars every six months shouldn't get a fair share.
You should get NOTHING you don't earn for yourself.
It's funny that you would state that. I guess Romney earned his money off the backs of those who were less fortunate. This is who you would rather support Mr. Corporate Raider. The man who goes around stripping companies of their assets, walks away and the companies are forced to file bankruptcy; leaving their employees --- out. Or, do you like him because he gets his funding from people like the Koch Brothers and the nut jobs from the Tea Party, AFP and the list goes on. These are all groups that promote racism! Is this why you support him, because this is how you feel? Then you have his running buddy supporting the radical beliefs of Ayn Rand. You find this okay? It's okay for these nuts to make racial statements, and we are supposed to be okay with this? What world do you live in? Your wonderful Republican Party lost their minds' years ago! As a Female Disabled Veteran who served 15 years and stood up for this "Country" I have had enough! I would never support a draft dodger, who ran to France and then acts as if he loves this Country! He's so quick to cast judgment, but did he fight or did he send his five boys? Oops, no! He's so quick to want to call other countries out, when we have been stretched so thin. Our troops are tired and deserve a break! This nation was in a mess, and we saw it coming. But no this country had to reelect President Bush. This disrespecting of a President/Vice President, who walked into the worst mess and calling them names, especially the names I have heard or read being used to describe President Obama, are vulgar and uncalled for!! I find them insulting and each person that has committed this atrocious crime ought to be arrested for treason!
Regardless of who the President/Vice President are they deserve respect!
As far as Syria is a concerned did it ever occur to anyone, this is a National Security matter (not to be aired out publicly the way you Republicans have aired it out over the airwaves) trying to get a Country in an uproar and causing mass panic. Just like a typical Republican conquer and divide. Which is why Mr. Ambassador's mother informed Romney to stop using her child's name for political gain. As a mother I would have slapped him with a blasphemy lawsuit! Guess you didn't see that interview with the mother and his friend, who politely informed the media the Chris did not like Romney and his condescending ways.
I cannot believe that this is what our Great Nation has stooped to!
A Proud Veteran!!!
If you have your way, this great nation will disappear. Men like Romney made this country great and strong. Strap-hangers like the 47% weaken it. A man who digs a ditch and gets paid what that labor is worth should get nothing more than that. A man who forms a ditch digging company and hires lots of ditch diggers should make as much money as that company can aquire. That's capitalism. Any form of playing field leveling or income redistribution is socialism and is NOT what built this country.
Was it socialism when the 39% Clinton tax rate was in effect creating 23 million jobs and a budget surplus? Why do you hate the United States of America? Are you a economic terrorist? Or just a self serving @!$%#.
I'm a proud self-serving capitalist. If I haul myself out of bed every morning for 30 years and work and save and raise a family I will insist that I keep what I earn and I expect everyone else to do the same. If my neighbor falls on hard times and needs my help, he gets it. That's entirely different from people who spent their whole lives making excuses and poor decisions and refusing to plan for the future expecting me to provide for them.
Funny what I saw was Ryan proving he is not ready to be one step away from the presidency. Vice President Biden cleaned his clock and I loved that he laughed and expressed his exasperation when Ryan said a 'bunch of stuff'.
The republicans are spinning this hard to their advantage and the media has and the democrats seem to be letting them.
So, the Romney/Ruin ticket is so severely conservative that they would force a 13 year old of some sex crime to deliver a baby because "life-is-life" according to Romney's veeper. I guess it does not matter how vile the conception with no concern for the victim.
Would a severely conservative president tell the hungry to eat grass because a starvation president is more fiscally conservative than a food stamp president?
I was educated that America is rooted in a people's democracy and not 'free' enterprise controlled by a greedy and dangerous few.
Mitt belives that Ayn Rand has a superior form of government than what America's Founders created with their life and fortune that is predicated upon economic suffrage under the bootheels of a depraved few.
i dont understand that either, Elmo. they must think god follows the rapist or pediphile where ever he coerces or drags his victim, and "blesses" that violent act with a baby, and the "victim" must be forced to bear and deliver a child based on rape or incest.
does paul ryan and other conservatives stop and think about what they are forcing others to do, how it affects children and their families?
after the child is born, they no longer care about it.
that explains it, i guess. the fetus is the only thing that matters.
In the last two debates, BOTH Romney & Ryan tossed out lots of big numbers that just do not add up. As Clinton said, "its just arithmetic." It was after all, the Republicans under Bush that drove the economy into the ground giving big tax cuts to the rich and fighting two wars on borrowed money. Why would we trust them now?
The majority of those millions of people out of work is a direct result of the failed Bush policies. Those very people, who worked hard for years and paid into the system are now being targeted by the Romney/Ryan budget. These people are the 47% referred to by Romney as "Victims" who think they are entitled to assistance. I know several patroitic people looking for work...don't you? Do we kick them when they are down on their luck? Is that the American way? Do we just roll over and let Big Corporations run our country?
Now that the damage is done...the rich want to take the rest of what is left...and "Your on your own" is the message we hear from the GOP & Romney/Ryan.
After all, Romney benefits by eliminating the Capitol Gains Tax. Paying ZERO percent for him & his rich buddies. So...aren't the middle class going to be stuck with funding the $250,000 Tax breaks for the rich? Hmmm, just another thing that makes you go hmmm.
"Your on your own" is the message we hear from the GOP & Romney/Ryan.
That's the message you hear from most Americans. If there's something you want you have a choice. You can beg for it, as most of your ilk does or you can find another way to get it.
Low capital gains tax is an incentive for people to invest which is good for everyone, even dimwits that say "Capitol Gains".
The only people in this country that get tax breaks are those that pay nothing. We all know who they are.
Your stupidity and lack of true facts is astounding. Invest those capitol gain funds? BS. They just don't want to pay taxes, period. It goes in their bank accounts. Yup, we all know that Robme hides his funds in offshore bank accounts.
Mitt, we truely don't dislike you but you are not ready to run this country, you have told the people so many different lies, moving answeres aroung here and there to make some people believe that you are honest well some people will fall very short of a good life if for some dark reason you get that seat. you and the rest of your republicans cannot build this country up and move it forward on a mountian of lies and deception.