Romney schooled Obama.... Romney clearly WON...

Romney lost when he said he wanted to evict Big Bird and PBS, loser, being aggressive does not make one a winner!!!!!

The new ads debunking Woolard will be out tomorrow. I hope Woolard thinks he won. Because he really didn't you know..

CM So you'll take Big Bird over eating WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

999 if you think so but if so it was a private school.

Yes Sir, Romney took Obama to his Private School, I Mean Shed.

President Obama Won , I could not believe all the Lies Mit was saying,does he remember that he is taped, this is not the man I want to run the country.

Take care of yourself

robme did what robme does best he lied and remade himself out as a moderate which by next week he will have to retract invent more lies in order to keep the lunatic base happy.

Across America, a wide majority of Americans realize that Mitt Romney "won" tonight's debate - except at this website. If you folks are not intellectually honest enough to see that Mr. Romney was the one who was most in command of facts, upbeat and on-message, then you have already kissed your objectivity goodbye. Be a responsible voter and let a few facts slip by your emotionally based opinions. Sheesh!

So now you are speaking for the whole country. Except you are only speaking for yourself. Really all robme did was repeat lies and rant pretty much like Reagan did when he debated Carter. Really you should learn what a debate is and what repeating talking points is.

Mutt Robme did nothing except flip flop and lie all night. When he wasn't flip flopping on the policies he's been talking about during his stump speeches, he was lying about the specifics.

President Obama was speaking the truth and saying the things he's been saying consistently.... so he won from sheer honesty.... as opposed to the dishonest sack of crap standing at the other podium.

Voice of... lunacy

LIES don't equal WINNING... which is all Robme won at tonight. The majority of the country still knows what Robme stands for and who he is most concerned about giving tax cuts to. It's not the middle class nor the poor, and he certainly won't be improving our lives.

I think those rich donors of his might be curious about his new claims when he says he isn't planning on giving those tax cuts to the wealthy. But since Robme is a Liar by nature, I'll bet he had his fingers crossed behind the podium... and had told those rich donors previously..."Don't worry about anything you hear me say... we still have our original deal. Tax cuts and no regulations."

Romney won because he came across as more of a leader. Obama didn't show well at all. Saying he did doesn't make it true. As well, each time Obama attempted to portray Romney, Romney was able to thump back. Very soon into the debate, Obama backed off mis-portraying Romney's positions.

Obama was stunned and stuttered his way through...

Romney WON (don't believe me turn on CNN) with coherent details and facts.... more than Obama had.

It is brainwashing by Team Obama that Mitt doesn't want to help the middle class. Look at his record not the commercials!!!

I was amazed at the response of the msnbc crew to the debates. "Stunned" would not be too strong a word. During the entire debate, Obama was in control of the facts, polite, firm and yet did not give ground to Mr Romney. Mr Romney's answers were invariably shallow; he certainly proved that he desperately wants the job, he cannot explain why he should get it. At all times, Romney would say something shallow, and then Obama had to come along and explain why Mr. Romney had a poor understanding of the facts.

Mr. Romney also showed himself unable to work with the moderator who is a neutral party. Given that, how can we expect him to be able to work with Democrats who oppose him?

The pained smirk on Mr Romney's face whenever Obama was talking didn't help Mr Romney's case any, either.

What stunned me is that the MSNBC panel of so-called pundits all behaved like a 12-year old girl who is ashamed of her father because he spoke calmly to a drunk instead of punching the drunk in the face.

It is brainwashing by Team Obama that Mitt doesn't want to help the middle class. Look at his record not the commercials!!!

Why not look at Mr Romney's statements, instead? Would you care to tell us whether the "middle class" is part of the 47% he despises so much?

Ed, So So Outraged at you and Chris Matthews at your performances of last nights debate. why? because of your blatant lack of support for the President that you have been preaching for years that you have claimed to have and for you lack of respect for his intelligence, and having some kind of mere patience. That was only round #1, since it is a fact the opponent was obviously not possible to be knocked out in round #1 and will have 2 more to go and especially had another governing the time and the issues that were being discussed how could you and others be so harsh? Most of what I heard from most of all the MSNBC commentators except Rev Al and Lawrence O'Donnell, and Chris Hayes were all negative , unbelievably cruel, hateful, empty chair analogies, ....what is wrong with you supposed liberals> with new and old faithfuls like me watching you listening to you, counting on you. Those of you even had the audacity to reward Romney with words of praise, ...like "he won", "good job", "well done",.... for what????? for continued lies, continued flip-flopping, pretentious concern all of a sudden about the 47% of us (that you say Obama should have addressed-IT'S not OVER YET ED!) ...how could MSNBS liberals reward Romney with such praise? Chuck Todd? Ana Marie Cox? ...and Chris Matthews stating Pres Obama wasn't doing a MSNBC Debate...Really Chris? you deduced that did you? ...he wasn't supposed to be...and he ( put the nail in the coffin to forever stop me from watching another show of his - Chris Matthews- by further stating that although he had heard Obama does not watch cable news he should start, to what? ...somehow get pointers as to do a Chris Matthews performance debate perhaps?...HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!.......Believe me I know how critical this situation is, I know we cannot afford to have Romney as President, but I also know that you and Chris Matthews with your comments did not help and may have even turned around some who were leaning in Obama's direction over to Romney. I have been watching your show since day 1, but not any more...you have lost me as a fan from your debate comments. I will see you on election night ....hopefully you will have calmed down, realized Obama IS the MAN you know him to be, who knows exactly what he is doing and doing it the way he wants to do it...Please dont hinder him further......I won't be singing your praises to any more of my friends and family anymore, have you lost more?... I already know of 2.

President Obama kept his gentle posture, whereas Mitt Romney went overboard and tried hard to win. President, as Ed Schultz said, did say first about s.s. but later he corrected by saying M.R's Voucher plan.

President will win the election but he should not stay polite during the debate. He need to forcefully talk in every aspect of M.Romney's policies and tell the American people what is bad , over and over.

He did no such thing. He brought his empty bucket and kicked it around and there still was nothing in it.

Romney won by repeating his lies, he switched his tax policies at the last minute, but can he be trusted by what he said on stage tonight? he switches more often than a card trickster changes hands...

Time will tell, I think all the Romney people are in for a rude awakening

Mitt just lied his way through the debate. I'm still not buying what he's selling. And, overall the debate was BORING! Really wish Leher had a buzzer, would have made it more interesting.

Exactly Sable. Romney lied like we knew he would. IMHO Ed is wrong. There is another debate next week so why expend all your ammunition in one night? There is a reason why the President didn't bring up the 47%, the obstructionism, and all of Romney's lies, it's because he'll use it iin the next debate, the last debate that the American ppl will hear before voting. All Romney did was show his support of the top 1%. Obama showed his support of the middle class. All this was was a debate on where the candidates stand. I'll take Obama.

Texas --- Name the lies, any of you name the lies. He called Obama out. NO more MSNBC Codling. Name the LIES.

He lied most of time. When President Obama said you are going to do this or that, then Romney would say I'm not going to do that. But that is what he's been saying for months. All Romney's lies will be exposed by tomorrow.

1. The liar said Obama has cut oil drilling permits in half. Obama has given out more oil drilling permits than GW Bush.

2. His tax plan will increase taxes on the midle class up to 2,000 a yr. The CBO and many top economics experts agree. He denied it.

3. Robme said the president will cut medicare 700 billion but thats a teabaggers half truth. He's cutting waste, NOT benefits. Robme/Ly'in Ryan plan WILL gut Medicare 700 billion.

And these lies are just off the top of my head. I'll get back to you when I watch it again. Now, dispute these lies.

Obama did cut oil drilling on Federal land by 50%. Oil increased on private land.

• Slower economic growth: Inflation-adjusted gross domestic product (GDP) would fall by a total of $1.1 trillion between FY 2011 and FY 2020. GDP in 2018 would fall by $145 billion alone. The growth rate of the economy would be slower for the entire 10-year period.

• Fewer jobs: Slower economic growth would result in less job creation. Employment would fall by an average of 693,000 per year over this period

• 238,000 fewer jobs in the critical economic recovery year of 2011;
• In one year alone, 2016, job losses top 876,000.

• More unemployed Americans: Slower growth in employment translates to a higher unemployment rate, which would rise more each year during the 10-year period than it would without the Obama tax hikes.

• In other words, for Americans who are unemployed now, their prospects of employment would worsen under the Obama tax plan.
• 700 billion on Medicare -- your just babbling.

The next Debate is the VP Debate and after Biden's comments about the middle class being hit with the tax increases for the last 4 years, which Obama has been saying didn't happen, I give Ryan the early edge in winning this Debate.

FEDERAL LAND, thats the difference. Why is a barrel of oil gone down constantly over the last 6 months?

5 million jobs created. With no help from the obstrructionist teabaggers.

Check the facts, Ryancare will cut 762 billion from medicare, and those are benefits, not waste.

Romney says, I like Big Bird, I like you Lehrer, but I am going to shut down PBS and evict big bird anyway, tells you what kind of person he is and that's with a smile on his face...

Banacek

after Biden's comments about the middle class being hit with the tax increases for the last 4 years, which Obama has been saying didn't happen

First of all, Biden hasn't said anything about the middle class being hit with tax increases for the last 4 years... because President Obama has only CUT TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.... so THAT'S A LIE. But the middle class will be paying more taxes if Robme makes it to the White House.

Secondly, President Obama isn't the only one saying he didn't raise taxes on the middle class. Only a week ago, Mutt Robme said that himself during a campaign stop with Lyin Ryan. It was right after that pathetic episode where he tried to get the crowd to say "Robme/Ryan, Robme/Ryan". Then he began speaking with Ryan standing behind him and admitted that Obama HAS NOT RAISED TAXES. I'm sure it would be easy to find the video to that particular event, since it's been shown over and over on this very network as well as others.

And look at the all the green stars these people give each other.

Even the MSNBC people said Romney won.

Ed, maddow, mathews, and so on.

Wholly Crap jealous that he has no green stars. Tsk, tsk.

Lol, hopefully you libs can keep a sense of humor about this. We've told you for 4 years that Obama's ability to speak and think on his feet without a TelePrompTer was limited at best.

I love the fact that today, Obama figured outa one-liner comeback.. Big bird, about time Romney gets tough on big bird... I remember back in the day when once you missed the comeback, it was considered a little goofy to toss one out the next day.

As for lies, pretty much, the fact finders have called it about even. Both sides took about the same amount of liberties with reality. As for Romney and the mediator- seems Obama actually took 4 minutes more than Mitt. Although he could only stammer and stutter out 500 fewer words in those 4 additional minutes.

Over the past week, much has been made about Obama's ego and how it gets in his way. Seems that is one answer for his dismal performance. But, the really funny part is he falls flat on his face, and the libs on this blog blame Romney. Much like Obama still blaming bush for Barack not having a clue on the economy. Folks- just say Obama sucked and got whooped and move on. Doesn't mean you lost the election, just means that America possibly got its eyes opened, at least in the center.

@The Real Chris

Yeah... Cowpie is bummed that he sadly doesn't have any stars, but his aroma does attract a lot of flies.

Rusty

Actually... teleprompters are used all of the time during the church wide conferences of the Mormon church, so I'm sure that your hero, Mutt Robme is quite familiar with them also.

Fortunately for us (and unfortunately for the moron conservatives of which you are one) we won't get to see Mutt using one of those teleprompters during his inaugural address... because Mutt isn't going to win.

No doubt, Scully. But it seems Mormons must also teach their people to think on their feet. I'm not saying Obama is as dumb as he looked during the debate, but the other possibility is he just doesn't know how to speak without the prompter. Which do you think it is?

But it seems Mormons must also teach their people to think on their feet

Having grown up in Utah - I can say this is definitely not true. Some people can do it, some can't - but it has nothing to do with the Mormon Church.

sure, like anything else. we learned 50% of the two major candidates could think on their feet, and the other made GWB seem a polished speaker.

Mitt has more class in his little finger than Obammy ever thought of.

Exactly. We're looking to elect a President, not a freaking petulant child.

willared's class he has in his litte finder when he holds it out when holding a cop and that is all of it. President has class because he doesn't have to think about having it.

What do you folks smoke? Liberals have the best stuff...

It struck my mind that is what happened because we've seen Obama before in a spot where everybody thought he was vulnerable with the Republicans smelling blood and lo and behold he comes out swinging harder than ever. Obama had to come off presidential, respective and reserved everyone was saying and when he does that, everyone's clamoring. I smell a rope a dope coming and Romney just may be falling into the trap just as the congressional Republicans managed to after winning the House. And it's funny to see Guiliani clamoring for respect in getting to finish his answer after seeing Romney act like a cocky rude brat.

yeah, sort of like us kicking the nazi'z ass whilst Hitler says, "Yahh, we gut them where we wunt them!"

If you feel you have to lie about what you plan to do, than you know your plans arn't right. Romney apparently really thinks his plans are wrong. Say it enough times and then even you Romney will believe, but the rest of us aren't buying it.

Stormtrooper, do you think the senior citizens of this country agree with robme when he said he would prefer a private insurance at a cost of $6,000 a year over medicare?

Please find that quote and produce evidence where he said that...

just saying....

Watch it again, but this time pay attention. He was defending Ryancare.

Just say'in

Once again, please produce a tape where Romney ever agrees that the Ryan plan would cost $6,000 more than Medicare...

Go ahead...I am waiting...

just saying..

LOL..You dumbass, why would he admit it? The facts are there, the voucher plan of ryancare will cost senior citizens 6,000 to help pay for private insurance and and kill medicare. Keep playing dumb stormy, you're damned good at it.

so in other words, your original statement is completely false. Thanks for admitting that you lied...

just saying...

To- John in Texas-

My Daddy told me years ago, "If you argue with a fool, then you've got two fools arguing".

Same old addage goes for the debate.

President Obama didn't want to argue with a fool.

this is the Times Fact Check list. Of course, I don't expect you to believe it because it's the Times. Just saying....

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And changing his plans, confusing people is not a winning strategy...

Mitt won the people that cannot see through the constant changing of positions that he has.

He won the people that have not really followed the race and have seen all of the different Mitt's.

He won the ignorant and under-educated in the politics.

He won the "already" hypnotized by his flashy suit and big money obtained through sucking away money from the blind republicans retirement funds. How could anyone not see through this is beyond me!

In Contrast:

He did not win me or anyone who has followed this race and witnessed the REAL Mitt. The one who will slither like a snake into the Presidents chair if he can.

The President now needs to now expose this and stop that snake.

I just do not understand how these people can sleep at night knowing they are lying to the citizens that elect them.

We deserve the "REAL" truth from both of them and not some run around. There are those of us who can grasp the bigger things and details, come on, show me details and not fluff. Bring in some graphs and numbers.

Cold fish kind of a way?

Mom,

I am in love now. I was interested, thought he was a better man, but after last nights side by side contest, I think I am in love.

This morning I woke up after a great nights sleep and thought I need to do something, so i went to MittRomney.com and sent him a $250 batch of roses.

Ask him for a date. You know you want to.

Chris,

He said YES!!! I am so in love. I might have even felt that thrill up my leg you are always talking about.

When did I talk about that? I think you mean the voices in your head. Like the ones that tell you you're smart, they're not real.

Obama didn't expect Romney to change his views on taxes at the last minute, which is tonight, he thought he was going to have a honest debate, he should have expected that switch and be ready to hit Romney hard, I think this was just a boxer studying his opponent's style, next time Obama will hit him hard with some hard punches, Romney will double down on his lies, but Obama must be ready to counter punch and hit him him hard...

You're right CM but he should never ever trust a flipper.

You are right...

America's dog....sadly, I totally agree with you.

Also, I will vote for President Obama & will contine to work like crazy for his re-election. Just wish he'd have called him out on the Romney/Ryan lies. No mention of 47% or women's rights (Rowe v. Wade) or Massachuttes being 47th in nation when Romney left it, ALLLLLL of Romney's flip-flops!!! I could go on & onp>

Just very disappointed, but not giving up the fight.

So Buckeye, are you saying RomneyCare was devastating to the Massachuttes economy? Just wait till ObamaCare gets going, Romney was right, you will see the economy tank. On that I think we both can agree.

Obama has 3 more hours of extreme examination, the press hasn't done any for the last 4 years. Debate topic will move to foreign affairs, I can't wait to see what happens when Romney gets to finally ask what happened in Libya, when real questions are asked about the 'Arab Spring', about the devastating way he has handled the Alfganistan war and all the boys that have been lost under his watch. Yep the press hasn't asked these questions, kept it soft for oBama, but that tactic is going to prove to be a loser. oBama doesn't have command of the facts and he is not an executive, it is apparent in a side by side comparision

The Four Most Misleading Moments in Romney's Debate Performance

• Jonathan Cohn

• October 4, 2012 | 12:37 am

1. Taxes. President Obama repeatedly described Romney’s tax plan as a $5 trillion tax plan. Romney repeatedly took exception. The figure is correct. Romney has not given many details about his tax plan, but it’s possible to extrapolate from his promises and the Tax Policy Center, a project of the Brookings Institution and Urban Institute, did just that. Crunching the numbers, they determined that his proposed rate cut would cost… $5 trillion.

Romney has said he would offset those cuts by closing loopholes. The Tax Policy Center has analyzed that promise and found that it is mathematically impossible, unless Romney raises taxes on the middle class or lets his tax plan increase the deficit—neither of which Romney has said he's willing to do. Romney has challenged the Tax Policy Center conclusion and did so again tonight, referring mysteriously to “six studies” that supposedly prove he’s right. He's also been cryptic about what deductions he'd cut and, tonight, even suggested maybe he'd back awayfrom some of the cuts if the numbers didn't add up—although, as always, he was so vague that the statements could mean absolutely nothing.

I wish Obama had pressed him on this inconsistency even more directly than he did: “OK, governor, you say you can offset the $5 trillion cost of your tax plan. Tell us how, with real numbers. Are you getting rid of the home mortgage deduction? The exclusion for health insurance? Be straight with the American people about what you are proposing.” Obama didn’t do that, but it's a question Romney has never been willing to answer.

2. The deficit and spending cuts. Asked by moderator Jim Lehrer how he’d cut the deficit, Romney outlined his plan for cutting spending. It included three main provisions.

First, Romney said, he’d repeal the Affordable Care Act. He’s serious about that, I presume. The problem is that, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the health care law reduces the deficit. Repeal it and the deficit goes up. Then Romney said he’d review programs and cut all that are non-essential, singling out PBS. Well, fine. That’s pennies on the budget. It wouldn’t be nearly enough to make a meaningful dent in the deficit.

After that, Romney mentioned “turning programs over to the states.” Here there is real money, particularly if Romney includes Medicaid, which will soon eclipse Medicare as the government’s most expensive health insurance program. But Romney suggested this would work because the states are more efficient. This is what he usually says. The implication is that the states can spend a lot less on the programs without dramatically reducing services.

That’s nonsense. Medicaid already pays less than every other insurance program, private and public. Cutting more from the program would inevitably force states to reduce whom or what the program covers. A year ago, when the House Republicans proposed a similar scheme, a Kaiser Family Foundation report by Urban Institute researchers crunched the numbers and determined that the Medicaid cut would mean between 14 and 27 million people would lose health insurance.

By the way, the researchers assumed states would deal with declining Medicaid money exclusively by cutting eligibility for the able-bodied and non-elderly. In fact, most of the program’s money goes to the disabled and elderly. Most likely, they’d feel at least some of the pain.

3. Medicare: Over and over again, Romney attacked Obama because the Affordable Care Act reduces Medicare spending by $716 billion. As you probably know by now, Paul Ryan’s budget made the exact same cut. And less than a year ago, Romney was praising this budget to the hilt.

But there’s another problem here: Romney’s own budget numbers don’t add up. Remember, he’s promised to cap non-defense spending at 16 percent of GDP. And he’s said he won’t touch Social Security. If he walls off Medicare, too, that would mean even sharper cuts across the board. How sharp? The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities ran the numbers. If Medicare is getting that $716 billion back, he’d have to cut other programs by an average of a third by 2016 and in half by 2022. Non-discretionary defense spending, which “has averaged 3.9 percent of GDP and never fallen below 3.2 percent,” would fall to 1.7 percent.

That’s simply not realistic. I have no problem believing Romney would cut domestic program deeply; his willingness to endorse the kinds of cuts he has specified, to Medicaid and food stamps, tell you everything you need to know about his priorities. But these figures are the stuff of fantasy. Either Romney can’t restore the Medicare dollars as he says or he’s not living up to his promises on deficit reduction.

The real shame of the exchange was that Romney's own plan got so little attention. Again, I wish Obama could have pressed Romney harder, or explained more clearly, why the voucher scheme he proposes would likely end the guarantee Medicare now makes to seniors—and why current retirees, as well as future ones, would feel the impact.

4. Health care and pre-existing conditions. Yeah, this was the part when I jumped out of my chair. Obama said that Romney’s alternative to Obamacare wouldn’t protect people with pre-existing conditions. Romney said it would. Sorry, but Romney is just plain wrong here. I’ve written about this before, so I’m just going to quote something I wrote previously:

Romney, like most Republicans, has long favored “continuous” coverage protection. But, forcomplicated reasons ... this protection is relatively weak unless it includes the sort of substantial regulation and subsidies that Romney, like most Republicans, has opposed. As a result, such protection would do very little for many of the people who need it most. Among other things, as Sarah Kliff points out ... “There are tens of millions of Americans who lack continuous coverage.” (A typical example would be somebody who lost a job, couldn’t keep making premium payments, and let coverage lapse.)

For people in this situation, Romney and the Republicans have traditionally said they favor coverage through “high-risk pools.” But high-risk pools are basically substandard policies: Although they cover catastrophic expenses, they leave people exposed to huge out-of-pocket costs. They also tend to be underfunded, because they cost a lot of money but serve only a small number of people. ...

So what would this mean in practice? Imagine for a second that you have cancer, diabetes, or Parkinson’s. With the coverage you’re likely to get form a high-risk pool, chances are that you’ll continue to struggle with medical bills. You’ll end up going into financial distress, just to cover your health are costs, unless you decide to start skipping treatment. And that’s obviously not a very good idea. These policies are better than nothing, for sure. But what you really need is comprehensive insurance and way to pay for it—in other words, the kind of protection that the Affordable Care Act will provide, starting in 2014, unless Romney and the Republicans repeal it.

I don’t want to pretend Obama was always as forthright as he could have been, any more than I want to suggest he was the more adept debater tonight. At one point, Obama talked about letting tax rates on higher incomes return to Clinton-era levels as essential to reducing the deficit. That’s true. But a truly serious approach to deficit reduction would let all taxes, even those on more modest incomes, return to Clinton-era levels (albeit after the economy is on sounder footing). Obama decried Romney’s plan to leave seniors “at the mercy of the private insurance system” but those are strong words from a guy whose own health care plan relies heavily on insurance plans, albeit with a lot more regulation than most conservatives like.

Still, these are tiny transgressions compared to Romney’s, which also included misleading statements about the origins of the deficit and claims of a jobs plan that is, if anything, even more unspecific than his tax plan.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/108125/romney-debate-details-tax-medicare-pre-existing-contradictions-deceptions#

like it matters what douches like you think? Your mind was made up before the debate, you don't care how much Romney lied and you never would have voted for Barack even if Jesus had come down and told you to.

Must've been a private school. I certainly didn't notice it.

what truth are you talking about? Or are you just saying that he told a truth while you ignore all the lies he told?

Storm -- That not even going to fun to watch. Joe will call in sick on that one.

That is what Obama wish he had done tonight...

I think there is a strong possibility that there might be a manufactured national crisis before the next Romney/Obama debate so that the President can find a way to back out.

just saying...

you don't know what you're talking about. Just saying.... But, hey, you know that, don't you? Tell me, do you call yourself StormGuy because StormTrooper was taken?

Name the Lies anyone, anyone Name the Lies !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robme opened his mouth and every word from that point was a lie.

Whom --- prove it.

Here is a clue Mitt isn't even his given name.

idiot rightwinger a/k/a magic4u,

List of lies

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I'm not sure if he's a habitual, or a pathological, but he's definitely in the family.

Here is a clue whom........you lost. Big Time...

Here is a clue tap I lost nothing. Really tap robme did not win the election because he told more fact free lies without any substance at the first debate. But it is nice that you show that you are still the same petty person you were 3 months ago when you played drama queen.

LOL whom.....you mean when I called you exactly what you are?....Obama had his opportunity to set the record straight but he couldn't.....do you know why....because the jig is up.....just because you keep repeating the same old comments over and over doesn't make them true....Obama needed Clinton to come and bail him out again.....what a shame but even Clinton would have told Obama.....your on your own Pal....

Here is a clue for you whom....Obama could not look at the camera (US) and he couldn't face Romney either.....the only person he could make eye contact with was the moderator......He really looked bad.

See post #12.6.

So why didn't Obama make those points Chris?

I'm not Obama, patsy.

Why don't you learn from them?

Chris it was up to Obama to defend those positions.....he himself couldn't so why should I believe anything you spin about it?

You're hearing voices in your head, patsy. I didn't spin anything. What those are that I presented are called facts. I guess you've never seen them before.

Chris....you are confusing facts with opinion.....go spin someone else.

I think you're spinning out of control, patsy.