INE your halucinating. Ann Romney did no such thing!

I dont know what speech you were listening too, but she said nothing of single parent households.

I am a single Mom who had the pleasure of raising a MAN he is 19 with a full time job,his own car, and helps me out while surviving with MS so of course Ann doesn't know anything about being a single mom and I want her to say what treatment she is using to treat her MS she looks good so that is what I wish she would talk about something she knows.

No no that is the Chicago way! haha. According to our great Attorney General that was not Voter Suppression, but asking people to have a picture ID is. HUH!

We should have similar requirements before allowing pregnancy. If you are unable to register you can't vote. Sounds great!!! What is the problem. If I were a democrat I think I would be just a little embarrassed to admit such a large % of my party was incompetent.

Lisa...if you are going to correct one, then correct all, Otherwise it is just more Democrat hypocrisy...your comments will carry more weight.

You can start with Michaels in post #4.

just saying...

Lisa......Forget the spelling, notice my message. Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWQgb72gA6U == V.S.- Florida 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VGWPrLMIFk == V.S. - 2012 Florida

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5hmevJdNxc == V.S. == 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxe_Z5wAQoQ == V.S. - 2012

I guess its time for me to buy a gun.

These new Voter ID laws are a violation of the 1965 Voter Rights Act because most of them force voters to spend money obtaining documents to exercise their constitutional right to vote. There exists no valid reason for these states to pass these laws because voter fraud has not been a documented problem. If there are almost no documented cases of voter fraud then these Voter ID laws are totally unconstitutional period. Most of these state laws cause voters to have to spend money for documents such as birth certificates and other documents that require time and expense to obtain.

The whole idea behind these laws are to suppress or frustrate the vote turnout in Democratic precincts around the states that passed these laws. Don't be fooled by GOP lies about these laws. Jim Crow is alive and well and has even moved north thanks to the racist bigots in the GOP who are anti-democratic and anti-American. These Voter ID laws are unconstitutional. Attorney General Eric Holder needs to block all of them and if necessary take over the state's election systems in the counties of the states that will be affected by these vile Voter ID laws. When you see a right winger who supports these laws tell them to go straight to hell. Pick a fight with these conservatives, scream, and cuss them out then go to court with a lawsuit. We need Eric Holder active on this issue. Democrats must go on offense and stay on offense against these vile voter ID laws that are poll taxes in all but name only.

Once again, I will ask the question to see if I can get an intelligent answer.

The videos above do not address the question I asked, but were simply liberal opinion regarding the VOTER ID law and the purging of the rolls...that is a different matter completely. Rex's rant is just his normal racist repsonse to anything..

What in the REGISTRATION process is suppressing the Democrats from turning out? Are you telling me that because of the voter ID law that 150,000 - 200,000 people are not registering to vote? Are you saying that somewhere around 75% of the people who register in each election cycle for the Democrats do not have an ID to REGISTER? How did they register in the past?

Please show me something in the REGISTRATION law that is suppressing the vote and I will be open to listening to your argument. Granted,there have been changes related to how soon the names have to be turned in after being registered. However, that has not effected the Republican ability to register people. WHY CAN THE DEMOCRATS NOT REGISTER VOTERS? Please, someone explain...

This discussion is not about voting...it is about REGISTERING.

just saying....

Once again, I will ask the question to see if I can get an intelligent answer.

These laws that were put in place target a specific demographic of the voting public, which happens to be made up of predominately democratic voters.They start this war against a problem, which as hard as they've tried, they can't find any evidence to defend. There has never been NO id requirement. Republicans are limiting accepted forms of id and removing droves of registered voters using a system they admit is so flawed that almost all of the voters removed from the rolls are valid voters. You'll also notice, like in places like Ohio for example, they double down on restricting voter turn-out even more as Romney polls lower.

I don't see how much clearer republicans can show this to be a concerted effort to limit votes from their opposition. God!, they even tell you how these laws will help their candidate. No one on the right would ever ever stand for democrats hampering republican voters by literally millions. And look at how the time frame coincides with their beat Obama by any means necessary.

BC...nothing in your post shows anything SPECIFICALLY which supports the rhetoric you spew. There has always been an ID requirement to REGISTER.

We can have a discussion regarding the VOTER ID law at another time when it actually effects voting...this discussion, created by MadCow, is about REGISTRATION. This article is a phony claim from the left about how REGISTRATION is being suppressed.

Can any of the people on this board actually show proof that the REGISTRATION process is unfair to the Democrats? I realize asking you guys to use facts to back up your claims is a stretch, but please try.

The REGISTRATION laws are the same for both sides...

just saying...

I actually said the you've always been required to have some form of id. And I specifically said that republicans have invalidated many of these long accepted forms of id, which are primarily used by democratic voters.

You don't want to believe the truth so much that you won't even read it.

BC...try again..what changes to the REGISTRATION process has caused this "suppression".

You haven't produced any "truth"...only progressive talking points.

This really should be simple for you leftists...how are these REGISTRATION laws discriminatory against Democrats? What ID's are no longer accepted that only Democrats have and would account for a 90% drop in registration?

If this is true, it should be easy to prove with FACTS, not just talking points.

just saying...

I actually gave you the facts. You just don't want to read it. Either from me, or from in state government information sources. You won't look because the truth doesn't really support your cause.

What facts did you give? Where are your links to proof? All I see is your opinion or the opinion given to you by some leftist propoganda site.

Stop avoiding the discussion...What ID is required that Democrats, minorities, poor or elderly do not have in order to REGISTER to vote? Before you show your stupidity and try to answer that question, remember that in the state of Florida all you need to register is either a valid FL driver's license OR a valid FL id card OR the last 4 digits of your Social Security number OR the ability to write the word NONE.

I have gone out and read the requirement to register...HAVE YOU?

How is any of that discriminatory against ANYONE?

just saying..

You have to have state issued PICTURE id. You can't use a social security card or birth certificate, although they are required that to obtain a state id. If you don't drive, chances are you don't have a state id from the DMV. And you don't need one to go about working and cashing pay-checks, or acquiring residency, or anything else except THIS election.

WRONG WRONG WRONG...

READ the statute before you try to join this discussion...

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voter-registration/voter-reg.shtml

You do not have to have a picture ID to REGISTER to vote...all you need is the ability to write the word NONE. Now, granted, if all Democrats have the same level of intelligence that you are exhibiting, that might actually be an issue, but for Republicans, it is no big deal.

The REGISTRATION laws are exactly the same for ALL citizens. If it is the same for ALL, then by definition, it is not discriminatory, unless it had an extreme requirement. Having the ability to write the word NONE or remember the last 4 digits of your SSN is not an extreme requirement.

just saying...

Stormguy, what justification would you use to discourage getting as many eligible voters to get registered and have the proper id to be able to cast their ballot?

BC...

Please tell me how the topic being discussed...which includes how the Democrats are lying about how the REGISTRATION process in FL...is voter suppression?

We can have the discussion regarding whether someone should show ID to actually vote on another thread. I am in favor of ALL properly registered LEGAL citizens of the US being allowed to vote.

It is funny how you have gone from trying to defend this idiotic claim about voter suppression during the REGISTRATION process, to diverting it to a discussion on Voter ID.

Just admit it...this is a false claim by the left regarding the REGISTRATION process.

just saying..

Why is it so hard for you to admit that this is a red herring being dangled out there by the leftist media in order to stir up the base?

just saying...

Stormguy: You have to register to vote or else you can not vote so stop acting like the pompous smart ass GOP hack that you always are. I think it is particularly offensive and galling to that some groups of people pretend that they have the right to take away the right or make another person's vote not count in the electoral process. You need to stop with your usual filth and right winged lies that are used to justify GOP voter suppression. Jim Crow lives again in the modern GOP/ALEC/Tea Party of today. Every single one of these Voter ID laws was designed by GOP Governors and passed into law by GOP legislatures to suppress the vote of specific groups of people who are minorities, working poor, students, Seniors and others who are do not own cars or have driver's licenses. Many of these people just happen to be likely Democratic voters which is why in 2010 GOP Governors and their ALEC allies sought to pass these voter suppression laws called voter ID laws.

I ask you a question and demand an answer from you: Where are your documented cases of actual voter fraud in the numerous states that have passed these laws such as Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and others? I demand to see all of those documented cases from these states that are the justification for these laws that suppress the vote. You show us these court cases of documented voter fraud. We all would love to see them because except for extremely small numbers they do not exist. But you show them to me anyway because if you can't show us the documented cases of voter fraud there is no justification for these voter ID laws other than naked racism and voter suppression.

As usual you have not bothered talking about the 1965 Voter Rights Act. You should go to Wikipedia or a college history book and read the damn law. Poll taxes are prohibited under this law. When you require citizens to get voter ID's they have to pay for birth certificates that can cost up to $20 or more. Many people have to travel to state offices that handle motor vehicle licenses to get these ID's or other state offices. Some people who live in counties that do not have these offices have to travel to the next county to get their ID to vote. People are required to spend time, money, and go through a big time consuming hassle to go and vote. So what we have here is a poll tax in all but name. POLL TAXES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL UNDER THE 1965 VOTER RIGHTS ACT THEREFORE VOTER ID LAWS ARE ALSO UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE THEY FORCE VOTERS TO SPEND MONEY ON DOCUMENTS REQUIRED TO GET AN ID TO VOTE ARE A FORM OF POLL TAX. Read the law, go talk to a political science professor or constitutional law professor and say it isn't so. These laws will not stand up to serious court challenges in federal court. Even conservative judges know what a poll tax is.

Oregon and Washington having voting by mail. The registration and voting by mail also work well in Colorado. We need to go to a vote by mail system in all 50 states across the country. Its almost impossible to manipulate voting by mail which is maybe why Republicans don't like it.

These new Voter ID laws are a violation of the 1965 Voter Rights Act because most of them force voters to spend money obtaining documents to exercise their constitutional right to vote

Kinda like Obamacare, huh??? now citizens have to spend money on somehting that they might not have wanted to buy, just to exercise their constitutional right to be a citizen...

sucks that you can't have it both ways, doesn't it??? how inconvenient for you, that your argument doesn't work out both ways...kinda like Obama's campaign spending, or his comments about the national debt....or his comments about wiretapping....or even the left-wing media's "vetting" of Romney's religion, when Jeremiah Wright was "Off-limts"...

sucks when you realize the double standard just isn't fair...

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Borrowing Money From China: The Blowback Begins
January 10, 2006

This morning brings some bad
news for the U.S. economy: China is going shift some of its foreign exchange
reserves out of U.S. dollars and into either the Euro or the Yen. China
currently holds more than $800 billion U.S. dollars; dumping even a fraction of
those dollar is going to cause ripples in the U.S. economy -- the dollar is
going to fall, interest rates will rise and the housing market bubble could
collapse.

As China's manufacturing industries flood the world
with cheap goods, the Chinese central bank has invested roughly three-fourths of
its growing foreign currency reserves in U.S. Treasury bills and other
dollar-denominated assets. The new policy reflects China's fears that too much
of its savings is tied up in the dollar, a currency widely expected to drop in
value as the U.S. trade and fiscal deficits climb.

China now boasts the
world's second-largest cache of foreign exchange -- behind only Japan -- and is
on pace to see its reserves climb past $1 trillion later this year. Even a
slight diminishing of the dollar as a percentage of those holdings could exert
significant pressure on the U.S. currency, many economists assert.

In
recent years, the value of the dollar has been buoyed by major purchases of U.S.
Treasury bills by Japan, China and oil-exporting countries -- a flow of capital
that has kept interests rates relatively low in the United States and allowed
Americans to keep spending even as debts mount. Some economists have long warned
that if foreigners lose their appetite for American debt, the dollar would fall,
interest rates would rise and the housing boom could burst, sending real estate
prices lower.

The comments of the Chinese senior economist, made on the
condition of anonymity because the government disciplines those who speak to the
press without express authorization, confirmed an analysis in Monday's Shanghai
Securities News stating that China is inclined to shift some its savings into
other currencies such as the euro and the yen, or into major purchases of
commodities such as oil for a long-discussed strategic energy reserve.

This is the direct result of borrowing from China to finance
the Iraq War, which is not (as was promised by the Bush administration) going to
pay for itself. Recent reports show that United States consumers have a negative
savings rate, that is, they are saving nothing but adding credit card debt at an
alarming pace. This is a recipe for economic disaster, because the engine of the
U.S. economy is fueled by the buying of the consumer.

borrowing from CHina in general, not just for the Iraq War...we've been borrowing just as much from China in the last 3 years as we did under Bush...for those of us paying attention, its nothing new...I've been saying this about borrowing and our debt for over 4 years now...maybe enough people will wake up and see the financial cliff that some have been screaming about for a while...

catt,

i know you don't care whose idea "obamacare" romneycare" is, but the individual mandate is a conservative idea, as far back as the h.w. bush administration. mark pauly, one of the co-originators of the individual mandate during the h.w. bush administration is disgusted with the repub party, because they have denied their own idea.

the individual mandate was used by conservatives in congress to counter Teddy Kennedy's and Hillary Clinton's health care reform, so they pulled out the "individual mandate" at least twice. to the repubs, the individual mandate was constitutional before it was unconstitutional.

i haven't heard much "left-wing" vetting of romney's religion, though i think it is fair game because the right surely hounded President Obama about his birth certificate. romney just the other day made a snarky comment about his birth place, about how "no one has to ask me for my birth certificate". we do have to ask him about his taxes, though. and i hope the democrats hound and badger romney for his taxes the same way that trump and the repub/bagger/conservatives tried to delegitimize our President by "making" him produce his papers, when they knew all along it wouldn't be good enough, and they wouldn't believe it anyway.

obamacare and romneycare are the same thing, but don't ask a republican that because they will deny it.

i know you don't care whose idea "obamacare" romneycare" is, but the individual mandate is a conservative idea,

you are right, i don't care...it doesnt make it right, no matter where the idea originated...in case you aren't familiar with my stance, suzette, "D" and "R" doesn't matter to me...corrupt progressivism does. Bush, Obama, 2 sides of the same coin...both want a growing government and more restrictions on our lives.

lets compare apples to apples tho, suzette. when Jeremiah Wright was brought up, the media ignored it saying, "a person's religion is a private choice, and doesn't matter in an election"...and now, NBC has run a special on "Rock Center", the Today show is going to run a special on Mormonism, all because "we need to understand this man's religion"...why do we need to understand Romney's, but not Obama's??? can you answer me that???

Yeah, ROmney made a bad joke about the birth certificate...it was a joke...Obama's made the SAME joke, about his OWN birth certificate, 3 times...and yet, its okay for HIM to joke, but not ROmney???

the tax thing was answered this weekend...THe NY TIMES ran a story that said that ROmney qualified for a foreign tax credit every year since 2000...the ONLY way he could get that credit is by filing taxes with the IRS...the ONLY way. therefore, taxes were paid...and Harry Reid is too cowardly to apologize.

Again, the Romneycare/ Obamacare debate tires me...in November, Obamacare will be gone anyways...and we can finally breathe a sigh of relief...

catt,

i didn't hear fox news ignoring jeramiah wright, in fact sean hannity and others still bring him up today. i happen to agree with what jeramiah wright said in regard to a couple of things that upset the repubs.

another thing.

when i lived in the south (savannah georgia), as a young woman (1974) the "white" church i went to, did not "allow" african americans to join. the pastor would send them to a similar "african american" church if they stated they wanted to join the white church. i do not believe the pastor thought this was racism, as he felt he was giving them the opportunity to worship where they would feel more comfortable. i have read many statements here by repubs that blacks should just get over the slavery thing and get over it. but i see racism in our country today, it has never disappeared. it has never been more blatant and openly hostile than the way our president is treated.

as the first african american president (and i am sure many repubs want to make sure Obama is our last) he has a price to pay, and repubs will make sure he pays it. so while you feel jeramiah wright may have been ignored, donald trump and the birthers certainly did not ignore THEIR BELIEF that President Obama was a muslim, and constantly hounded him for his birth certificate, demonizing him every chance they got.

i can accept the fact that jeramiah wright as an african american might worship differently than i do due to his personal beliefs about slavery, and the fact that african americans are still demonized today (pat buchanan).

President Obama says he is a christian, and i believe him, therefore i understand his religion. if you do not believe what he says, than you do not understand his religion. i think repubs made a big deal NEGATIVELY about Obama's religion and birth place, trying to delegitimize him. i would like to know more about the mormon religion. it would be nice if romney would talk about it, but he is embarassed, insofar as he is afraid it will affect his ability to be president. this is one instance where romney and the repubs want to seperate church and state, in the case of romney's religion, otherwise they really don't.

as for romney's "joke" about the birth certificate, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE LAUGHING-they were CHEERING. it didn't sound like a joke to me. surely you can see that President Obama "joking" about his OWN birth certificate is different than romney doing it. maybe Obama should make a joke about plural marriage or magic underwear. those things would be hurtful to romney, and i just don't see President Obama crossing that line. romney crossed the line with an insensitive comment, feeding his base. it was beyond the pale.

i don't trust romney in regard to his taxes. i do understand why he wants to keep them private, but he wants to be president-we have a right to know.

if i were you, the Obamneycare debate would tire me too. romney supported his helath care plan for the united states, not just for massachusetts. they are exactly the same thing, something conservatives approved of and supported until President Obama put it on the table, in keeping with their promise to each other to say NO to all economic policies President Obama put forth, even those they thought of and agreed with and supported in the past.

We're not a democracy, we're a republic.

Lajos. We're a CONSTITUTIONAL republic. That doesn't give people the right to CHEAT.

Correct LajosKuli, we are not a monarchy and maters of the nation are not the sole concern of land owners or rulers, so yes, we are a Federal Republic, as is Pakisan, Nigeria, and as was the former Soviet Union. A republic and a democracy are not mutually exclusive (except in the right-wing parallel universe). Throwing the word “Republic” out there like it somehow nullifies “Democracy” is just kind of tiresome and, frankly, makes you look kind of ridiculous.

Wow, I am sorry that it makes you "sick" that so many people have a different opinion than you, and it makes you "Sick" that some people can think for themselves...gosh, how terrible...

i guess i should say that it makes me "Sick" how many people don't think that my favorite football team is the BEST football team!!! the fans of the other 31 teams clearly don't understand anything, and they are all stupid, and they make me "sick"...

yo uliberals really need to get over yourselves with the whole voter suppression crap. its not legal, its not occuring...you all think that just because its a REPUBLICAN supposedly carrying on such acts, that he gets to be above the law...you assume that if it were a Dem, he'd be arrested or something for carrying out illegal acts, but since its a conservative (Like ROmney, when all the clueless libs thought he hadn't paid his taxes) suggested that he could get away with it, because he's a Republican...just absurd.

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/05/10711/voter-suppression-bills-sweep-country

http://www.progressohio.org/blog/2011/07/hb-194-ohios-voter-suppression-bill.html

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Penn-Voter-Suppression-Is-by-William-Boardman-120824-867.html

http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/08/26/true-the-votes-voter-suppression-summit-one-more-reason-we-need-voters-first/

U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown has recorded a "robo call" to back the repeal of a GOP-backed measure to shorten early voting in Ohio.

Democrats have about a week to gather a little more than 231,000 valid signatures of registered Ohio voters to qualify House Bill 194 for the ballot. Along with paring back the number of days Ohioans can cast an in-person absentee ballot, the bill also eliminates so-called "Golden Week," when Ohioans can register to vote and can an absentee ballot at the same time.

The gravely voiced Democrat says in the recorded call that supporters are trying to bring a vote on the elections bill just as they did for Senate Bill 5, which is state Issue 2 on the November 2011 ballot. If circulators meet the signatures threshhold, the elections bill won't take effect until after it's voted on in the November 2012 election.

Of course that means longer early voting windows - which so far have tended to favor Democrats in Ohio -- both this year and in next year's election for president, Congress, legislative seats - and Brown's post.

Or maybe the voter drives have been non-existent since laws were passed last year to specifically target them. They've nullified Rock The Vote and similar programs during this election cycle. The only reason republicans aren't whining and complaining is that these laws are written to target a specific demographic which basically leaves most of their own voters unaffected. Not only do they design these laws to address a problem that doesn't exist, it doesn't even target the area where the potential for any voter fraud would even exist, like with mail-in ballots.

BC...since you seem to be so informed, please explain exactly how the revised laws target a specific group. How is it that the Republicans can comply with the new laws and the Democrats can not?

just saying...

Well let's look a the voter id laws. Like I said before, you've always needed some form of id to vote. These laws target specific long accepted id's and makes them no longer acceptable, even though they're some of the same id's needed in getting a state id. They targeted specific id's that are used mainly by poorer and older who trend towards voting democratic in much larger numbers.

And I fail to see where you see the justice in disenfranchising 100,000 voters for every case where someone might have the possibility to cast a vote fraudulently.

Which ID's are predominantly used by poor and elderly and Democrat that are no long acceptable?

just saying...

Here is the link to the Voter Registration page for the state of FLorida outlining the requirements to register and the process. Someone please tell me how this is SUPPRESSION against Democrats, poor, elderly or minorities...all you have to have to register is a Florida Driver's license or a Florida ID card or be able to provide the last 4 digits of your social security number or be able to write the word NONE...

You don;t even have to go anywhere to do it..you can mail the damn application in.

and you guys think this is suppression...what a crock...

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voter-registration/voter-reg.shtml

Just saying...

Stormguy, consider the state office hours, locations, ease of access (if you rely on public transportation), and the backlog that other agencies like those that provide copies of birth certificates, and the associated cost. And all this done in the months preceding an election. An election where republicans are feeling very vulnerable, with trying to wage a crusade against womens medical health rights and attacking fraud that they can prove in any way, and a host of other efforts that looked upon highly from either side. They contradict polls that are 70%-80% not in their favor as some type of wide-spread support of their legislative efforts.

Once again...stop with the stupid leftist talking points...it is all BS...IT CAN BE MAILED IN. You dont need to go to any office to register...you dont have to provide a copy of a birth certificate...you dont have to spend any money.

READ THE DAMN LAWS and REGULATIONS before you spew this crap.

just saying...

Since when can you get a state id through the mail?? Since when can you get a state id without a birth certificate??? When can you get a state id for free? You have to pay to get a replacement for a lost id, which is the cheapest way.

BC...I really cant believe I am having to take you step by step through this...Grow up and act like an adult.

According to FL STATE LAW, you do not have to have an ID to REGISTER.

According to FL STATE LAW, you can REGISTER to vote by mail.

THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT REGISTERING....

Registering to vote and actually voting are two separate things. The issue, beyond the valid voters being removed from the roles, concerns the id requirements at the polls when you actually go to cast your ballot.

You're not going to be able to vote with just your voter registration card!

BC...

Look at what the discussion is on this topic...REGISTRATION! Your idiotic MSNBC pundits cry about how the REGISTRATION process is so slanted, yet in reality there is no evidence to back that up. And you think they are telling you the truth about other things?

Lemmings...

just saying..

And the issue surrounding registration has been valid voters being thrown off the rolls. And those voters must go in person with id and proof of residency to validated. You can't do it through the mail or without id. That's on top of threatening voter registration drive organizers with potentially tens of millions of dollars in fines for all registrations that are 1 minute late in being turned in.

Stomguy: Mr. Jerkoff stop with crap, lies and obfuscation of reality. You are aiding and abetting the poll tax which is unconstitutional under the 1965 Voter Rights act that outlawed poll taxes or any indirect cost applied to voting, such as the cost of getting documents to get an ID. The GOP has put a new form of a poll tax on voters to suppress the vote. You need to go read the 1965 Voter Rights Act instead of spewing your right winged filth on this blog. Why did these states change their voting procedures when last election there were no documented cases of any numerous widespread voter fraud problem? I am talking about Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

SHOW US YOUR DOCUMENTED CASES OF VOTER FRAUD IN THESE STATES THAT PASSED THESE GOP SPONSORED VOTER ID LAWS? WE NEED THE DOCUMENTED CASES OF VOTER FRAUD FROM THESE STATES WHERE THE HELL ARE THESE DOCUMENTED CASES? WE NEED PROOF OF THESE VOTER FRAUD CASES.

Who the hell does the GOP think they are in passing these voter ID laws? We do not negotiate away a basic constitutional right to vote which is essential to democracy. The normal registration process worked very well in all of the states in establishing residency of voters. The ghost of Jim Crow rides again in these voter ID cases that are being pushed by ALEC/GOP hacks.

the new conspiracy theory on the left: voter suppression...

so much whining about it, so little evidence...and they do it because they are "greasing the skids" for a loss...

When Florida votes Romney over Obama in November, the lefties will be able to make themselves feel better by yelling "Voter suppression!!!" it won't be true, of course...but those on the left can't POSSIBLY grasp the concept that maybe, just MAYBE, not everyone thinks exactly like you...and that they can make up their own minds...

REX-

i live in Connecticut, a traditionally deep blue state, with huge pockets of minorities in the larger cities. Every election I have lived here for, I've had to show my driver's license, or some other form of ID...

how come you don't hear cries of "Voter suppression" in CT??? is it because its a BLUE state??? how come its okay for a BLUE state to require people to show who they are, but not a RED state??? or even a toss-up state??? shouldn't ALL states be able to make their own decisions??? don't you believe that states should be able to decide on gay marriage??? why is THAT decision okay for the states, but not the idssue of voter ID requirements???

I expect to see you and your ilk on the steps of the capital in HArttford, pushing the "Voter suppression" angle here...can i count on your support???

Right we are to take your word even though you constantly repeat the same GOP lies that you got from Fox news.

go away whom...your posts are so inane...I didn't watch FoxNews at all last night...and nothing I have said was said from ANY pundit on ANY news network..I do live in Connecticut...i dont need ANY network to tell me that...no network had to tell me that I have to show my ID when I have voted here, every 2 years since 2000...get over yourself...your posts are no longer even amusing...you have no new material, no original thought, and no courage whatsoever...

Doesn't anyone remember acorn?

Google voter fraud and acorn

so much whining about it, so little evidence

Election officials in all of Floridas counties took it upon themselves to stop purging voters from the rolls because all of the invalidated voters were coming in showing that, yes,, they were valid voters. These officials were of republican and democratic affiliation. When election officials across the entire state refuse to continue enforcing a law because they feel from their experience it is serving no purpose but to invalidate huge swaths of valid registered voters, what more proof do you need. Of course republican leaders, like yourself, won't listen to their own if their comment fall out of line with the bigger republican agenda.

@Come_And_Take_Them!, No one is talking about voting with NO id. The problem is that now long accepted forms of id, that the group you refer to use in much larger numbers than republican voters. If you, without cause, stop accepting particular forms of real id that a particular part of the population uses in greater numbers, how could you view that as anything but a targeted effort suppress their votes?

catt,

your post #7.15-...the lefties will be able to make themselves feel better by yelling "voter suppresion". it won't be true of course...

and you all have been yelling "voter fraud". w. bush did a study on that during at least 6 years of his "presidency", and found basically nothing. nothing that would imply that voter fraud is how President Obama won the election. this is what you all are trying to portray, that Obama wouldn't have won were it not for voter fraud. or at least its a good excuse since you know that the less people who turn out to vote, the better chance repubs have.

the "voter fraud" conspiracy theory by the repubs against the democrats is OLD, and has been going on for many years. i am slackjawed, however, at how conspicuously overt their efforts have been ever since 2009 when Barack Obama took office. they have proven themselves to be unembarassable in their efforts to make President Obama a "one-term" president.

this leads me to believe that you all think that President Obama didn't win legitimately, that he won because of a fraudulent election in one way or another. that's a good excuse, at least, to continue with your blatantly obnoxious voter suppression laws.

Obama didnt win through voter fraud...Obama won by getting more votes- a LOT more votes- than GW Bush did. its that simple...

now, does voter fraud exist? sure...is it millions of votes? no...the bigger concern is registration fraud, aka, ACORN...there is evidience in the form of over a DOZEN lawsuits saying that ACORN was engaging in voter fraud...do i think there was fraud? absolutely...did it sway the election to Obama? absolutely not. I know what was going on in the country at that time...I know that McCain was a terrible candidate...I know that much of America knew NOTHING about Obama...i get it...they wanted change...i can understand...

just so you don't over-generalize TOO much, please listen to this here and now: I believe 100% that Obama's win was legitimate. not a fraudulent election. satisfied now?

that being said, i still dont buy the voter suppression arguement. now, i know your side won't grant me the same respect...can you say that Bush beat Gore legitiamtely, since EVERY study condcucted post-election showed that Bush won the vote count in FLorida? I would have mad-respect for you if you can admit the saem thing I did, that the 2000 election was legit...I've given 2008 full credit..will you do the same???

Suzette-

to follow up, we saw the same thing in Wisconsin during the failed recall of Gov. Walker...when the polls looked good, when early returns looked good for the recall, everyone on Ed's set was elated...as SOON as the race tightened, Ed and his guests started talking about certain counties who were "Notorious" for voter suppression...in the end, Walker won in a landslide...Ed's panel was still talking about voter suppression...

now, if you won't give me 2000, can you at least concede that Walker won his recall legitmately???

Come_And_Take_Them!, you don't have to buy the voter suppression argument. You can just look at the reality of it's effects and how and when it was implemented. Or you can look at history and see that the argument and tactics haven't changed at all. The lack of proof of the claimed rampant voter fraud from the left has also stayed consistent. And the blatantly racists (conservatives) are around just as much today as any other time in history, wielding the same political and financial power to suppress voting rights, wages, due process, and equal opportunities and protections under the law, even if they have to rewrite the laws.

catt,

no, i cannot say that bush beat gore legitimately, because the bush campaign did several things to steal the election in florida. repub aids from washington were sent to florida to protest the recount. the aids who protested were given high ranking jobs in the bush administration.

listen, jeb was the gov. of florida, a repub. the secretary of state, katherine harris, a repub, STOPPED THE RECOUNT. the decision was made to involve the supreme court (daddy bush's friends) to annoint w. bush president. this unprecedented move was deemed so unprecedented that it cannot be used as precedent in future cases.

why would they (the repubs, the bush campaign) stop the recount if they thought they were going to win? it wasn't only that the recount was stopped, but in florida, in 2000, 350,000 voters were suppressed. the repubs did many things to assure a win for bush. i trust rachel maddow, you may not. i don't have her information, but she reported on a study that said that Gore was the true winner.

just because YOU believe that Obama won fair and square in 2008 isn't going to stop the repubs WHO HAVE POWER from spinning their narrative about voter fraud. from everything i have heard from the repubs in washington, and from the governor's who are setting up these very restrictive voting regulations, this is their narrative. whether they believe it or not, or whether it is just an excuse to suppress the vote, they want less people to vote, AS I SEE IT.

i will risk the mad-respect you say you will have for me. i cannot say the bush/gore election was legit because i do not believe that to be true.

and while i hoped that scott walker would lose his recall election, i feared that would not be the case, and I BELIEVE HE WON HIS RECALL ELECTION WITH THE HELP OF THE KOCH BROTHERS and a lot of corporate money (corporations are people my friends). in other words, he won his recall legally, but not for ALL THE heroic reasons walker is saying he won his recall.

While watching the RNC, I had to pop over to MSNBC to see how they were responding. MSNBC is a FRICKIN' JOKE. I have never seen a more biased and moronic display in decades. If there was anyone in management with one ounce of intelligence or integrity, they would fire Matthews, Maddow and the other jerk off's on the spot. The sad part is there will be 20 percent of the viewing audience that will be watching and cheering them on. SAD SO SAD....

Lajos-

excellent, excellent point...i noticed that too...MSNBC made a CONSCIOUS choice to not show any of the minority speakers last night...very interesting by them, no??? and also very telling...they only care about the voice of the minority as long as the minority is liberal...a conservative minority is shunned, and quick.

Mia Love was great...so was Ted Cruz...great message from each of them.

I fail to see your logic when Florida made it so hard to perform registration drives by forcing all signed registrations to be turned in within 24hrs, which is practically difficult, and many cases impossible. They even charged teachers for trying to get their 18+ students register. Not registered as democrats, just registered to vote. Because republicans know registration drives produce more democratic than republican voters. It is very obviously targeted at reducing votes from their opposition.

BC...Stop spreading lies...

It is 48 hours not 24...

just saying...

Oh well 48hrs. Doesn't effect any of the points i've made. It doesn't change the motivation, intent or consequences of all of these sudden changes in voter laws.

You lie and then you are caught in a lie and your only response is...Oh well? What a piece of scum you really are...

and you still have yet to prove that there is any suppression as a result of the registration process...

just saying...

You're an idiot. I didn't lie. I was mistaken by a few hrs, and like i said, that doesn't have any effect on comments. You exemplify the problem with your party. You're really going to try to harp on a 24hr like it invalidates anything pointed out in my argument. 24hrs or 48hrs, it still presents the same issue. I wonder how also you say that that is unfair for teachers trying to teach some civic responsibility and exercise their right to vote. Yet for some reason in your eyes it is fair for organized efforts that are getting thousands times that amount registered. What's the difference. They are both working towards the same goal, to get eligible voters registered to vote!

wake up everyone has an ID

everyone doesn't have a "special" ID with all the regulations now required to vote since an african american became president.

many dmv offices have been closed in districts where the vote is "democratic". also forms of ID that have been used in the past to vote, can no longer be used. a student ID CANNOT BE USED, but a gun license can.

i think repubs need to loosen up their REGULATIONS about which ID can be used. students, for the most part vote democratic, which is why new regulations do not include student ID as valid to vote.

i think its OK to show ID to vote, but why all the NEW regulations that make getting this special ID more difficult? many voters will be disenfranchised.

The Koch brothers: this year's Emanual Goldstein. Who will be next?

jvaljon1- you make some interesting points...the voter supression thing is BS...and people SHOULD pay attention to their local results...but then your point about Cruz is baffling- he is of Hispanic descent, he is not "White Republican through and through"...his dad is a CUban immigrant, his mother is of Irish Descent...pretty much same as Obama...If Cruz is "White through and through" then so is Obama...either that, or Obama is African_American, and Cruz is Hispanic-AMerican...can't have it both ways....

you also mention that dems are lazy, and won't get out to vote, but that they outnumber republicans 6 to 2...those facts aren't accurate. its a pretty even split in our country: in June 2012, 35.4% identified as Republicans, 34.0% as Democrats and 30.5% were unaffiliated. so Rep. and Dem. are pretty even...but you can say that ANY side that's lazy will lose, and thats an excellent point...

thanks for your comments...it was nice reading a rational post from the left on the Ed blog...

WRITE the PRESIDENT! http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

I have had enough of this sh!t. Over turn or else!

I just wrote the White House about these voter suppression laws saying I thought they were in violation of the 1965 Voter Rights Act. These laws are clearly poll taxes in all but name only. Write the White House and demand that AG Holder get the Department of Justice acting in a hyper-aggressive mode to get these laws declared unconstitutional by an emergency federal law suit. Do this today by following the link xxx ooo was good enough to post.

WHat in the REGISTRATION laws has changed that is a violation of the 1965 Voter Rights Act?

just saying...

People are required to spend money to get documents to get an ID to vote. These types of expenses are called poll taxes. These poll taxes are unconstitutional. Go read the 1965 Voter Rights Act. Then go read the supporting cases law behind it. Go talk to a constitutional law professor. I am saying you are really a dumb ass.

Rex capt re reg aint going to go research a thing, capt re reg is comfortable in the ignorant, to research would force him to question his beliefs, questioning beliefs leads to change, change leads to devil worshiping in capt re regs world.

Wow whomitmay, I guess that's why msnbc didn't broadcast the minority speeches last night. They didn't want their viewers to question their beliefs.

Yet Another ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^RE-REG^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Another thing I think is funny about most democrats, is that when they can't argue the facts, they revert to name calling!

I guess we really can't blame the people here, they are just doing what they hear their leaders do when they can't argue the facts.

With that said, I would love to hear from a democrat, who believes in msnbc, as to why they think this "news organization" didn't brodcast the speaches of the minority speakers.

Maybe msnbc didn't feel the speakers were important enough? Or, maybe they just want their viewers to see what they want them to see? Heaven forbid someone might not agree with them! Their viewer base might leave faster than they already are.

For reference: Earlier in these postings, LajosKuli posted the follwing:

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When popular Tea Party candidate Ted Cruz, the GOP nominee for Senate, took the stage, MSNBC cut away from the Republican National Convention and the Hispanic Republican from Texas’ speech.

MSNBC stayed on commercial through former Democratic Rep. Artur Davis’ speech, as well. Davis, who recently became a Republican, is black.

Then, when Puerto Rican Governor Luis Fortuno’s wife Luce’ Vela Fortuño took the stage minutes later, MSNBC hosts Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews opted to talk over the First Lady’s speech.

And Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval? Noticeably missing from MSNBC, too.

Mia Love, a black candidate for Congress in Utah, was also ignored by MSNBC.

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It seems to mee that msnbc is trying to suppress people's ability to make an informed decision.

EZ...because this is how the left whines. They create a fake story that in reality has not merit, but if they inflate it enough, all of the lemmings jump on board and start screaming about how unfair it is, even though both parties are living by the same set of rules.

The way I read it, they are saying that the people in the past who have run Democrat Voter Registration drives are not as smart, efficient and thorough as their Republican counterparts. Is there any other reason to think that one side can comply with the new laws and see a 30% increase in registrations and the other side has seen a 90% decrease?

If there is a real reason, I wish someone would post it. Please...none of the normal rhetoric that you guys love to spew...lets try to deal with facts...something new for the lefties on this board.

just saying...

Stormguy: I deal with facts all day long and into the night Have you read the 1965 Voter Rights act? Do you understand what constitutes a poll tax? Also the 1965 Voter Rights Act clearly states that any procedures that make voting an undue hassle for citizens are also clearly unconstitutional. Look at the quote of the 1965 voting rights act down to section two:

"AN ACT To enforce the fifteenth amendment to the Constitution of the United States, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That this Act shall be known as the "Voting Rights Act of 1965."

SEC. 2. No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color."

"...www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=100&page=transcript"

Now look at this brief portion of section 10 that outlaws poll taxes:

"SEC. 10. (a) The Congress finds that the requirement of the payment of a poll tax as a precondition to voting (i) precludes persons of limited means from voting or imposes unreasonable financial hardship upon such persons as a precondition to their exercise of the franchise, (ii) does not bear a reasonable relationship to any legitimate State interest in the conduct of elections, and (iii) in some areas has the purpose or effect of denying persons the right to vote because of race or color. Upon the basis of these findings, Congress declares that the constitutional right of citizens to vote is denied or abridged in some areas by the requirement of the payment of a poll tax as a precondition to voting."

"...www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=100&page=transcript"

Here is the 24th Amendment to the Constitution:

Amendment XXIV

Section 1.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Section 2.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

"...www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxiv"

As we can clearly see poll taxes are unconstitutional both according to the voting Rights Act of 1965 Section 10, and according to the 24th Amendment to the Constitution. The attempts by GOP Governors to impose Voter ID laws are poll taxes because citizens are burdened with the cost of producing these documents. Notice the language says "poll tax or other tax."

The Attorney General has the power under the 1965 Voter Rights Act to place federal examiners in states where known voter discrimination has taken place in the past. If necessary the federal government has the power to send federal examiners into those states to register voters and supervise the election. I am thinking this is exactly what should happen in these states that passed Voter ID laws that are blatantly unconstitutional.

There is no poll tax required to REGISTER...what is it about this simple notion that you can not get through your thick skull?

There is NO suppression in the registration process....that is what the numbers on the graph at the top of the page are in reference to...

just saying...

Stormguy: Stop your amateur obfuscation. Read real articles about real issues from real sources and save your amateur garbage for someone else or else just shut the hell up and get off of this blog. Because, you have no business being here spreading your right winged filth. Registration has everything to do with voting because you can not vote without registering to vote. Understand? Your claims ring hollow because in many states that have Voter ID laws the registration process requires that voters obtain documents that cost money to obtain such as birth certificates, marriage licenses, and other documents. All these documents cost money. Many of the people who have to get them do not have cars, driver's licenses, and getting these documents is expensive and a burden to Seniors, students, the poor that live in inner cities, and certain minority groups. These groups are being forced to pay money to get these documents that state is engaged in a form of poll tax that is unconstitutional.

"...www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/01/strike-two-against-floridas-attempts-at-voter-suppression/"

"...newamericamedia.org/2012/08/pennsylvania-voter-photo-id-law-a-poll-tax-senator-charges.php"

"...www.huffingtonpost.com/debbie-hines/voter-id-is-the-new-poll-tax_b_1797394.html"

"...www.thenation.com/blog/169642/republicans-boast-about-voter-suppression-tampa-ground-shifting#"

Here is the case of Florida v. U.S. 2012 for your reading pleasure from the Department of Justice website with a PDF from the court's ruling:

"...www.justice.gov/crt/about/app/briefs/floridabrief.pdf"

Rex, If your understanding of a Poll Tax is correct and the simple requirement to present a valid form of authorized ID at the Poll is a Tax, is requiring a citizen to travel to the Poll itself not a Poll Tax? If an individual has to purchase a bus ticket or purchase gas for his car to drive to the Poll, is that too not a Poll Tax? According to your logic any expenditure on a citizen's part to enable him or her to vote would be a Poll Tax. The ability to identify eligible voters and restrict ineligible voters from voting is the goal and objective of these laws. They are not intended to prevent eligible voters from voting.

REX...

It is so easy for you to sit back in the basement of your mommy and daddy writing your daily diatribes by cutting and pasting the same stuff over and over again. You accuse people of lying, yet you can never provide proof that they did.

I give you another chance to prove me wrong about anything I have said on this subject. Here is your chance to man up...

YOU are the one who has constantly changed the focus of the discussion of this thread.

YOU are the one who has lied about what I have said.

YOU are the one who doesn't know crap about the REGISTRATION process in FL

YOU are the one who is so stupid that you cant figure out that the MSNBC pundit MADCOW is creating an argument that isnt real.

This entire discussion has been about the supposed "suppression" as it relates to voter REGISTRATION in FL. Yet, not a single time in any of your inane ramblings have you ever been able to point out anything about the REGISTRATION process that is suppressing the vote. Oh, I give you credit, you were very good at trying to change the subject because you realized that the leftist media had been caught in ANOTHER lie, but unlike others, I wont fall for your trap.

Either prove me wrong or STFU

And by the way, you have absolutely no right to demand anything from me. Get off your self serving high horse. Go back to playing your online computer SIM game that gives you some semblance of a understanding of real life is. You are so far removed from understanding what the real world is that you might as well be one of your online characters.

When you can act like a man, instead of some spoiled 6 year old, come back and we can continue this discussion about how the leftist media is lying about this issue.

just saying...

Stormguy: I don't need to prove you wrong because a federal judge has proven your side wrong for me:

Take a look at this UPI story:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla., Aug. 29 (UPI) -- A federal judge Wednesday ruled against Florida in a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of state restrictions on third-party voter registration.

U.S. District Judge Robert L. Hinkle said he will grant a request to remove the restrictions permanently, plaintiffs in the case said in a release issued by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.

The plaintiffs -- including the League of Women Voters of Florida, Rock the Vote and the Florida Public Interest Research Group Education Fund -- filed the suit in December. Hinkle ruled in May the restrictions violate the U.S. Constitution and federal law, and issued an order temporarily blocking its enforcement.

Lee Rowland, an attorney for the Brennan Center Democracy Program who argued the case in Florida, called Wednesday's ruling "a decisive victory for Florida voters."

"The Florida Legislature has tried repeatedly to stifle access to voter registration opportunities, and once again a federal court has stopped them in their tracks," Rowland said."

"...www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/08/29/Court-tosses-Fla-voter-registration-rule/UPI-79221346277974/?spt=hs&or=tn"

It looks as if you are not the brightest candle on the cake when it comes to politics. Looks like Obama will win Florida despite the GOP's attempts to rig the election.

Wow...surprise surprise...a federal judge appointed by a Democrat strikes down a law the the Democrats dont like...

I guess we will have to wait and see what the Supreme Court will say about the matter...

too bad you are too stupid to actually be able to make the argument yourself, you had to rely on someone else...

We will find out on November 7th who will win Florida and who will win the Presidency..

just saying...

Stormguy: Sounds like sour grapes to me. A federal judge agreeing with me on a point of law does sort of make a guy feel good. I am still waiting for all of those documented voter fraud cases in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and elsewhere? Lawyers, and legal analysts are also looking for all of those hordes of documented voter fraud cases too. Unless those GOP Governors start finding them you can expect the Department of Justice, voter groups like the NAACP, the ACLU, legal scholars, academics, and others to be watching those states with Voter ID laws like a hawk on a high line pole waiting to swoop down and stick sharp talons into your unconstitutional and grotesquely un-American anti- voter laws. The GOP will lose this fight. It might take awhile but Voter ID is going to struck down by the DOJ or the federal courts in most places. Too bad Romney does not have a chance without your unconstitutional Voter ID laws either. Too bad so sad for you. I think President Obama needs to start writing his second inaugural speech.

Rex...

Which way did the US Supreme court rule on a similar case regarding the legality of Voter ID? Oh yeah, they ruled 6-3 in favor of the State of Indiana that such a law was legal...good for you, you have one hack judge bought and paid for who didnt have the backbone to stand up for what is already been determined to be legal in this country.

It must suck to be you...

just saying...

Davey, you just don't understand. There's one law for the honkeys and one for the bros.

Another RE-REG That Has Slipped through the Cracks for a Couple -O- Months ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No it wouldn't explain the low numbers, because voter registration drives before every other election has produced comparable numbers. What you can look to is the shutting down of voter registration drives in the state. Republicans know how many new democratic voters they produce from decades of statistics. They know what will hurt democratic voter turn-out more than republican. And all of these laws target voters in the same way. They predominantly reduce democratic voter turn-out , period!

Have you ever consider that last year Florida basically shut-down voter registration drives with the threat of millions of dollars in fines and invalidated registrations if every signed registration wasn't turned in within 24hrs. That's difficult to do always, and impossible to do at times, on Fridays for example. They even threatened teachers, who have for years tried to help their 18+ students registered to vote, with stiff fines. Although it's not a leap to realistically consider that the time that they are passed out and completed and signed and returned, working around a teachers schedule, within 24hrs is next to impossible.

Voter registration drives produce more democrats than republicans at the polls. So if you make it difficult to help large numbers of voters get registered, than you effectively take away votes from democrats more than republicans. Republicans have targeted demographics that work against them in elections in crafting these laws. Requiring a state id and then reducing hours and locations in the areas where most of these people who need to acquire the id live. The only people it isn't obvious to are the ones who just don't care.

BC...

Actually it was 48 hours, not 24. At least try to know the facts before you write something about a subject.

Why is it that Republicans can meet these requirements and Democrats can not?

As far as teachers registering students, I am totally against that. The idea that a person who has a position of authority over children is given the opportunity to register them to vote and inflect a bias in the process of how they would register is wrong.

just saying...

Actually it was 24hrs! And if it even was 48, you shut down registrations efforts all together on Fridays. Being that it was 24hrs, thats Friday and Saturday. And being that if you're not first in line to turn in those registrations in the morning, you might not meet the deadline, and you definitely incur significant fines for the effort.

Actually, it is 48 hours...

And regardless of which it is, that doesnt explain why Republicans are smart enough to get it done and Democrats aren't.

By the way, here is the link that supports 48 hours..where is yours that supports 24?

http://m.jacksonville.com/news/florida/2012-08-27/story/democratic-registration-all-dries-new-florida-laws

just saying..

They are not smart enough to get it done. They're doing it areas that are 1) believed to be close enough from polls to go either way or to democrats. And 2) where republicans have the majority in the state legislature to pass craziness unopposed. The only reason you support the millions and millions of people nationwide being negatively impacted by these laws is because their impact isn't being felt (and wasn't designed to be) by republicans to anywhere the same degree. Because republicans rely much more heavily on a different group of voters less likely to feel any impact from these laws.

Next time ya'll want to bring up the class-warfare argument, look to this as a real example of class-warfare. Not the fake argument surrounding going back to Clinton era tax rates that were still close to historic lows.

BC...are you referring to the law that says a person only has to be able to write the word NONE on a form and mail it in so that he can be legally registered in the state of FL? Are you saying that the people who want to register Democrat in the state of FL are not even that smart?

just saying...

Just saying, they've obviously had already done that before being thrown off of the voter rolls. And no, the issue can't be fixed by mail and you will need id. But that still isn't as much of an issue as hundreds of thousands of voters being removed from the rolls of eligible voters through a process republicans admit to being flawed, and the bureaucratic process added to the ability of registered voters to retain their right to vote.