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A gunman opened fire on moviegoers attending a midnight showing of the latest installment of "The Dark Knight" trilogy in Aurora, Colorado; killing at least 12 (KCNC is reporting that a 13th victim has died, this is still otherwise unconfirmed) and injuring dozens more (59 injured, including a three-month-old that has already been treated and released from the hospital). The suspect, 24-year-old James Holmes, entered the Century 16 theater through an emergency exit at Aurora Mall, threw a gas canister, and opened fire. At this time there is no word on motive.
President Obama was at a campaign stop in Fort Myers, Florida and had this to say of the shooting:
I know many of you came here today for a campaign event. I was looking forward to having a fun conversation with you about some really important matters that we face as a country and the differences between myself and my opponent in this election.
But this morning we woke up to news of a tragedy that reminds us of all the ways that we are united as one American family. By now many of you know -- many of you have heard that a few miles outside of Denver, in a town called Aurora, at least 12 people were killed when a gunman opened fire in a movie theater, and dozens more are being treated for injuries at a local hospital. Some of the victims are being treated at a children's hospital.
Now, we're still gathering all the facts about what happened in Aurora, but what we do know is that the police have one suspect in custody, and the federal government stands ready to do whatever is necessary to bring whoever's responsible for this heinous crime to justice. And -- we will take every step possible to ensure the safety of all of our people.
We're going to stand by our neighbors in Colorado during this extraordinarily difficult time. And I had a chance to speak with the mayor of Aurora as well as the governor of Colorado to express, not just on behalf of Michelle and myself, but the entire American family, how heartbroken we are.
Now, even as we learn how this happened and who's responsible, we may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. Such violence, such evil is senseless. It's beyond reason. But while we will never know fully what causes somebody to take the life of another, we do know what makes life worth living. The people we lost in Aurora loved and they were loved. They were mothers and fathers, they were husbands and wives, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters, friends and neighbors. They had hopes for the future and they had dreams that were not yet fulfilled.
And if there's anything to take away from this tragedy, it's the reminder that life is very fragile. Our time here is limited and it is precious.
We'll be following the story as it develops.
UPDATED:
Mitt Romney was at a campaign event in Bow, NH and had this to say of the shootings:
Our hearts break with the sadness of this unspeakable tragedy. Ann and I join the President and First Lady and all Americans in offering our deepest condolences for those whose lives were shattered in a few moments, a few moments of evil in Colorado. I stand before you today not as a man running for office but as a father and grandfather, a husband and American. This is a time for each of us to look into our hearts and remember how much we love one another and how much we love and how much we care for our great country. There is so much love and goodness in the heart of America. In the coming days we'll surely learn more about the lives that have been lost and the families that have been harmed by this hateful act.
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WOW there are some crazy people..... yes very sad day.....My prayers to the families..
Will you quit being so sarcastic!
Yup like I said CRAZY people ^^^^^^^^ x take your magic underpants off your head. and put down the KOOLAID.....
Vote NObama 2012!!
Thanks for taking down you bat man avatar, b. Do feel bad that this is what we will think of as connected with bat man now. My little grandson loves him so.
A high cappacity drum clip for his gun.....don't know exactly what that means.
TM drum clip is what you saw on the Thompson Machine guns you saw in gangster movies, they are round and can hold 100 rounds of ammo, a stick clip holds 20 to 75 rounds.
Another human tragedy that the liberals will gravy train into the ground.
This will give michael moron a reason to make a flim and line his liberal pockets with $$$$$$ milllions...
That's what you're doing, isn't it?
Chris...that comment from that thing #3....not going to mention it's call, is why they have to re reg in order for someone to listen to them. a mental disorder shooter to a mental disorder #3 commenter..............
well, it is the taliban commander! What else would you expect. Using one's head for something besides holding up his gib-me-cap.
They are giving information out now. This is a sad tragedy.....no politics are involved.
Social Journalist have been warned not to expound/expand on this shooting information.
Colorado is handling this investigation very carefully. They are reporting only facts. The FBI is also on the scene.
Respectfully praying for all involved. Sad.
TM, This one is a heartbreaker, for sure. Innocent children, even; a family out for a night of fun.....
It never ends, does it.
They have them both showing here.....We were planing to go, and now....not for a while. Can't go in a theater without thinking about it. There some things in life that don't go away. One is the terrible day JFK was shot.
He was obviously a very bright person an a honor student.
T MOM It is a Magazine or clip that can hold 10, 20, 30 shells that is inserted in the weapon.
I looked them up on the net....they sale them for as little as $50. I have always thought that these nuts like beck, rush, get these otherwise safe people paranoid and then they set them off on a frenzy......do these people think the same as normal people .......no. If they could be diagnosed and given council by sane capable people they would not commit mass murder.....but when they are influenced by idiots like we have on the air.....they become extreme. He knew he was different...He was even studying about himself to learn more, then he dropped out? His parents had to know....that he was having problems. Please find these people help or take them off the streets for their and everyone else's good. The insecurities of this country right now do not help these type of people to feel secure.
RUSH- was really talking alot about this movie... he claimed that people watching this movie are lefty liberals... and guess who was shot ---ho-le-cow. Your leader RUSH is just an @!$%#...
frank, you are being too kind to R$#@%%. Words fail me, too, when thinking of adjectives to describe this creature.
Love the flip-flops!
Thanks, I do, too.
India~ I like 'em too! Where do you find all your neat avatars? Google images?
put the word picture in you search engin and follow it by a word or two, like birthday cake and there are bunches of pictures that you can copy and paste. Good luck.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Birthday+cake+pictures+&id=BC70066FF673908929912347D5B5521327E9A195&FORM=IQFRBA
I go to my bar above, and ask it to show me images of certain things, then hit enter, then hit images. Lots of images pop up. For example:
I asked it to show me flags at half staff, then hit images, then clicked on one I liked. I will put my flip flops back on after a few days.
TM, I don't know how to do it the way you said! What is a search engine? Is that the long bar I am talking about with the arrow on the left?
I never go to google, MJB.
India~ Google, Bing, Yahoo, they're all search engines. How come you don't use Google? That's my go-to for info!
MJB, I don't know. I just never seemed to have to do that. If I want to find something, I go up to that top bar and type it in. It works so I haven't tried to fix it! LOL I am not good at computer language.
All the talk in the world about this does nothing as long as you support republicans. Regan and Bush closed all the mental hospitals in the country except for those for criminally insane and elderly and threw it to medicare. There are all the jobs we been looking for. In order to be placed in one you literally have to commit a crime of murder and be a danger so society. There are thousands of these hospitals empty that use to house these types of people. Family members would call police ant hey would take them away. Now they are roaming the streets all over our cities. Those buildings need to be restored and we need to stop pushing these mentally ill off on the people, the streets, the schools and the police. Look what happened in Orange county Ca the police murdered one mentally ill patient. They were tired of dealing with him tasered and choked and beat him to death. OBama can solve this situation and the jobs, I have been blogging about this for years. My mother worked 25 years in a mental institution. There are millions of jobs to be created and we never seem to seas this moment. One Story on this can help not only Our country, but the mentally ill problem in the US, and the Jobs. If we refuse to talk gun control lets at least re-open the mentally ill hospitals setting empty all over the United States. Those facilities are setting empty. They need repair and workers and cooks, and janitors , nurses, nurses aids, doctors you name it. These places were closed over unions, benefits, and healthcare issues.
Sane or insane, if you can't get a semi-automatic gun in your hands, you can't shoot it!
A POX on the NRA and republicans for pushing anti-control legislation! The NRA is directly responsible for the mass killings of American citizens!
The hypocritical republicans who holler abortion is baby-killing, do not mind for one second allowing citizens to walk around with semi-automatics defending themselves with "Stand your ground Laws" Pure twisted evil straight from hell...........
How many more killings have to happen before corrective action is taken.................
Go ahead and make excuses...... Emp.......mass murder's will continue ........your statements are like an obese person who needs to lose weight for their own sake and yet they continue to eat and die an early, sad death because they never wanted to admit that things need to change!
Republican hypocrisy is definitely responsible for these deaths and I would add the democrats who had better start acting like democrats instead of following the insanity of republican policies.
President Obama did an excellent job of appropriately addressing the tragedy today.
Let's see how many Americans criticize him for being a decent and upstanding American!
alexlyrics.... Sorry you spent all that time blogging on this issue. I personally believe anyone that can be deemed insane or in need of help gets it, but you can blame the AFCLU instead of Reagan for the closed mental hospitals.
So no, Reagan, didn't close mental hospitals or put anyone on the street. Progressive views on mental health, a misguided ACLU, and politicians who "know better" did it. Then finally (the last year Reagan was governor), O’Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), the Supreme Court found a constitutional right to liberty for mental health patients: "There is...no constitutional basis for confining such persons involuntarily if they are dangerous to no one." With this constitutional recognition, the practice of mental health law became a process of limiting and defining the power of the state to detain and treat. The result was a codification of mental health rights that have done away with non-voluntary commitment except in extreme cases.
http://onespeedbikerpolitico.blogspot.com/2011/01/revisionist-history-meantal-health.html
Also O'Connors vs Donaldson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson
I still believe too many solutions are being prescribed in a pill bottle for many by psychiatrist and other medical doctors leading to many of the problems we have today.
Take This Antidepressant, and You Too May Have a Violent Psychotic Break
http://www.anh-usa.org/take-this-antidepressant-and-you-too-may-have-a-violent-psychotic-break/
I still praise your effort to help the ones that are unable to help themselves.
Banning semi-automatic weapons would include firearms that are not assault rifles. It would behoove you to learn the terminology before you make these kinds of statements.
How soon we forget that banning assault rifles had zero impact on reducing gun crime anyway.
This statement is absolutely false.
The NRA is as responsible for these killings as the Beatles were responsible for inspiring Charles Manson to kill people.
This is about one lunatic who snapped and I would bet if guns weren't accessible to him he would have come up with something else to kill all those people (like explosives and homemade grenades.) In this case he planned and prepared for this. To suggest that it wouldn't have happened if he didn't have guns is false. He was bent on killing people and he would have found a way to do it regardless.
Once again, you don't know the definition of semi automatic. Semi-automatic means that a round (one shot) is fired and a new round is chambered every time you pull the trigger. There are numerous firearms that are semi-automatic, and scant few of them could be classified as "assault rifles".
What kind of "corrective action" are you suggesting?
Chicago has gun control, yet shooting deaths are at an all time high.
Nope, banning guns makes about as much sense as banning Batman for having a Joker character because this whack job identified with that character.
It is a tragedy. It is a double tragedy that a person can buy a semi-automatic rifle so easily in this country.
Our gun laws aren't about to change, however, making this an even more likely to be repeated tragedy. Thanks to the NRA and the deep pockets in congress, it will surely happen again and innocent people will die. That is very, very sad.
My heart goes out to the victims families.
“I am so moved by your support, but there are going to be other days for politics. This, I think, is a day for prayer and reflection,” the president told supporters.
The president orders that his administration do everything that it can to support the people of Aurora in this extraordinarily difficult time,”
I will if you will.....? You did start out well and I respect that. Sort of takes the edge off doesn't it?
The thing is, these tragedies happen over and over and then memory of them fades away and nothing is done, by EITHER side, to prevent someone else's loved one from being slain.
The only ones who should be permitted to purchase these high powered automatic and semi-automatic weapons are those who are under contract to the military.
My dad hunted, and I have had guns myself, but no one has ever needed a semi-automatic rifle to kill a deer or a damn rabbit. No hunter would be affected by taking these off the street. This man might have been stopped but for that particular weapon.
But, Oh, our "freedom" is at stake! Our freedom to lose our LOVED ONES in a senseless act of violence. Screw the NRA.
AND SCREW all those who support the NRA.
This is a terrible, preventable tragedy and forgive me for getting angry, but I have kids and grandkids and I don't want to see them shot down in the street.
Ooooops.....emp got the slap down!
India~~I am with you. This episode makes me livid. Our congress and their owner, THE NRA, all have blood on their hands. The lack of any gun control, is idiotic, and it has nothing to do with the second ammendment. It is all about the money, increasing the wealth of gun makers and dealers and to hell with the loss of life and the loss of taxpayer money used to defend the idiots who kill with guns that should not have been accessable to them at all.
http://home.nra.org/#/nraorg
NRA propaganda!!!!! On the web.
I am so glad that creep is gone, TM.
Not necessarily. The Remington 870 he had was pump action shotgun. I would suggest that the body count probably would have been just as high if not higher if he'd used that on the crowd instead of the AR, depending on the bore and the ammunition.
He had a Glock as well, which is a semiautomatic pistol but a revolver with speed loaders has just as much fire power - you just have to reload more often. I used to be a competitive pistol shooter and I know this to be true from experience.
The point I'm trying to make is that if you ban semiautomatic firearms, all that's going to happen is the nut cases will start using pump action shotguns and revolvers. When this happens again, what will you say then? Ban pumps and revolvers too?
Chitown, Truthfully, as far as I am concerned they can ban them all. You should be required to show a hunting licence in order to purchase a deer rifle or a rifle for small game. A hunting licence and then a background check before you could buy a single gun.
I've used a pump action and they're not that fast! (OK, I am female, and rather small).
Nobama I ask you to lift your executive privilege order on fast and furious Brian terry's family needs Closure..........
Vote NObama 2012!!
Well, it's easy to see B113 isn't going to give it a rest for even one day.
He must be more than one person, because he is on here 24/7 just
spamming
the same old tired stuff.
yes, TM
he has a mtn dew buzz and yellow fingers from eating Cheetos. and few strains on his t-shirt.
LOL
The obvious solution to this is, more guns! More guns!
That should stop it.
Doesn't more disease cure sickness?
Doesn't more starvation cure hunger?
You know what they say about all the wrong people having gunz!
Chris I own weapons and have hunted alot.
Ed Rendell made a very good point...how many rounds does it take to take down a deer or moose?
what next a neuclear rocket launcher to go after jackalope?
anyways one shot one kill is what the sportsman is...........
also a good point he mentioned was we have freedom of speech but you can't yell fire in a public place.
balance is needed and common sense when it comes to weapons of any kind.......by the public especially........
EO....you loose again. gun control is that....gun control....not....confiscation. stay here in the USA. man I know that's hard for the right to do.........I'm not afraid of loosing my rights.....that's why I'm votin for Obama..........
now your gettin the idea....I don't want that ((us)) ((you)) espouse....my (we) is why I can count on not losing my rights with Obama..............
Hunters do not need a semi-automatic weapon to hunt game! Isn't that against the law?
But by george (curse word) you can sure shoot a human being ~ no problem says the NRA!
Don't have a gun, don't want a gun.....but why do you need a heavy shooter, unless you HAVE TO hunt food? Or WANT to hunt food? I might buy one if I felt threatened, but it would take a lot of fear to make me shoot and animal or a person.
Don't know what kind of guns he had.....He had no record so he must have had easy access. How would you suggest there be control of this??????
TM They showed pictures of the type guns Holmes used One was a cloak, two automatic rifles............
I think we need to reinstate the law that was allowed to lapse o semi-automatic weapons. Every time republicans get into power, they repeal the good things done for the benefit of all Americans.
I absolutely despise the F---news/right wing liars for the disasterous rhetoric they spew daily that in fact hurts Americans.
Ban all Semi-automatic weapons for common citizens~police can keep them and by all means ban F---news from the airways ~ we will all be safer for it.
Well. EO couldn't make it a full day without calling names. It's never a mistake but it's a lie. Believe it or not, not everybody is into guns enough to know what they are. Sometime identity is made by mistake. But hell, just keep calling DemE a liar. It suits you so well.
gee for about 25 dollars you can get a kit that will turn your AR15 to fully automatic, heck if your good with guns you could do it your self.
hell even the military is getting a way from fully automatics.
EO, Shut up.
Give it a REST today.
LOL
India dont have to worry about this sock any more just got the banned by Tyler. as a re-reg save the republic i believe.
Finally!
I remember seeing the Friends of Eddie Coyle with Robert Michum, way back in the '70's and I remember him getting in the back of a van where the guy made him a gun from different parts so it couldn't be traced. That left an impression on me and when I hear the saying, 'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns', I know it's true. There will always be somebody making a gun in the back of a van and it will be for the wrong reason.
One was a Glock not a cloak.
Of the other two, only one was a semiautomatic rifle, the AR-15 which is a civilian version of an M-16 without burst mode or fully automatic capability.
The other was a Remington 870 shotgun which is NOT semiautomatic. It is a pump action shotgun. Furthermore the stock Remington 870 is a shotgun that's used for sporting activities all over the world. All that tactical stuff (the extended magazine, etc.) on that gun was bought aftermarket.
I had a stock Remington 870 when I was twelve for God's sake. It was my first real gun.
Already heard of copy cat terrorists. Thanks RUSH!
Yup like I said CRAZY people ^^^^^^^^ x take your magic underpants off your head. and put down the KOOLAID.....
Vote NObama 2012!!
b, now there you go again?
I know he and EO couldn't make it a full day. No surprise to me.
No surprise at all. Nothing surprised me today. Nothing.
India
this will help you take a break and it is appropriate for today.
http://youtu.be/4NjssV8UuVA
thoughtful conservative,
How nice of you, TM! Really beautiful graphics on that one, too.
How have you been? I think of you often.
I HOLD "RABID" RUSH responsible for what happened in Aurora today:
in your own words SUCKman, “Do you think that it is accidental that", "do you think that it is a COINCIDENCE" that some ObamaBotNOT DARK Knight with assault weapons and no soul shot up the BATMAN movie during it's premiere in Aurora CO????
EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION - As I stated yesterday, we do not exist in a VACUUM and public figures must be held accountable for the evil seeds they sow!!!
Get some Rabies shots Rush and shut your stupid hate mongering yap for good! Every time you open it, you commit HIGH TREASON!!! You put innocent citizens at risk and make it easy for them to be victims of sociopaths with guns (THIS isn't about guns, so don' start up that confiscate firearms crap) it's about SOCIOPATHS and HATRED and NO RESPECT for life unless it's still in the womb, but WTF, the RATING ARE GOOD!
The consequences are insignificant as long as the ratings are good!
It's only "a lot of brain-dead people" who were murdered - no big loss - the ratings are good!
Someone with a CONSCIENCE, PLEASE FIRE this stupid SUCK!!!!
Or else make him go to OZ and get a BRAIN!!!
"RABID" Rush can DENY & LIE, but the KARMA is HIS and HE WILL BE JUDGED before a Higher Judge - HOW do you SLEEP at night Rush???
He could go to Oz for all the things they were seeking. And send him home to England!
Yup like I said CRAZY people ^^^^^^^^ x take your magic underpants off your head. and put down the KOOLAID.....
Vote NObama 2012!!
spamming? much?
Only every chance he gets.
Petition/Pull the plug on the thug.
http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=81
You support his terrorism of the American public? And attacks on the movie industry?
You really are in a fantasy world!
The guy studied brains. Was a scholar in his field. Was he a loner? Wondering.....just a thought.....did he have access to mind altering drugs? I am tried of that nut on fox tell us all about what this guy may have been thinking and what he hoped to gain from it. Surely some truth will come to light. Not speculation.
I hope your not fantasizing about you creep.
All I've heard all morning is "speculation". The media needs to wait for the investigation result and report facts. They've broken the story. Let it rest until they have real information. Quit running everything into the ground.
And before our resident troll re-regs start, 80% of all media outlets are owned by conservatives.
Larry, Exactly! Talk radio virtually all right-wing hate, too.
http://www.politicususa.com/romneys-implosion-triggers-epic-rush-limbaugh-obama-hate-meltdown.html
http://www.politicususa.com/romneys-implosion-triggers-epic-rush-limbaugh-obama-hate-meltdown.html
3 is a charm.....better not be bubble gum....it is?
LARRY - GOOD LUCK on the media listening to you.They already ran it in the ground this morning on MORNING JOE.By that time,it was already 4 hours after it originally happened.I am already getting sick and tired of hearing about it.
Sure I feel sorry for the families too but maybe its time we start pulling our heads out of our butts as a society and give the NRA the permanent middle finger that it deserves. I own firearms and served in the military for 20 years seeing combat in Desert Storm. The NRA does not speak for me. In fact the NRA is the cause of much of our problems with gun massacres. We need to shut down gun shows forever. Civilians need to be forbidden to own semiautomatic pistols or semiautomatic rifles with large 30 round ammunition clips. If you do your research on gun massacres in America, nearly everyone of them in recent years involves a semiautomatic pistol with large ammunition clips. Shooters typically can get off a hundred rounds or more before the police can even arrive, let alone have time to figure out what is going on and where its happening. By the time all of this happens you can have 50 casualties or more just like we did today.
The larger issue here is that these types of tragedies will keep right on going like a production line endlessly into the future, courtesy of the NRA. We have plenty of mentally ill and dangerous radical people in our society, who at anytime could decide its time for a massacre of the innocent. If we only owned bolt action rifles, shotguns, or a six or eight round revolver for hunting or target shooting we would all be better off. These semiautomatic weapons with large ammo clips create job security for funeral home directors. No one needs an AK-47 with a 30 round clip to go deer hunting. Glock 9mm semiautomatic pistols also should be forbidden except for law enforcement or military personnel who should be required to have special licenses, training, and insurance to keep and own these types of firearms. Anyone else should just be sent to jail for owning an AK-47 with a large ammunition clip. Why does anyone want to bring weapons of war onto the streets of America? Unless of course you are part of a domestic terrorist organization like the NRA.
If you are a shrewd investor you should invest in casket making companies. Because with terrorist organizations like the NRA the undertaker will always be doing a brisk business in America. Just think it costs $250,000 to raise a child over 20 years to adulthood in America and in one instant a whole lifetime of raising your child can get snuffed out by deranged gunman with an assault weapon with a huge ammunition clip while watching a movie in a theater. Doesn't it make you proud to be an American?
The British long ago outlawed all handguns in their country. Canada has a more balanced approached with bolt action rifles and shotguns for hunting allowed but handgun ownership is much more problematic. Firearms are registered in Canada and handguns are highly restricted. But Canadians have high levels of rifle and shotgun ownership. The point here is that Canadians have lower levels of gun violence than Americans do. Sure you can find gang murders and shootings in Canada but maybe we should ask were those weapons smuggled into Canada from the United States? Mexico has had nearly 50,000 people killed in drug war violence over the last four years or so. Many of the weapons used in these Mexican drug wars are purchased in the U.S. So not only does the filth of the NRA contaminate America with its culture of mass murder, the NRA's gun massacre filth spreads across the borders bringing death, carnage, and maiming to our neighbors too. Doesn't this make you proud to be an American? With friends like the NRA who needs enemies? Mexican drug gangsters and their murder squads love the repeal of the assault weapons ban in America and have put to good use in their own country. The NRA is totally out of control and must be met head on and crushed.
Neo Republican Army (AKA Tea Party volunteer militia)
EO: You want a automatic gun like that join the North Korean Army so you may have a shot at killing Americans. But your just another chicken hawk like Willard!
hey xxx ooo....who was that re reg that always came off with that your a foreigner stuff. could tell by timing of post or somethin..........
Emperor Obama: I have lived in America all of my life and served 20 years in the U.S. Army giving you a country to live in so you can whine and bitch on this blog. I think you are a right winged idiot who brings shame to this blog. Stop spreading your right winged filth here. What are you going to do to stop the gun violence in America? We already lock up more people in this country at a far higher rate than any other industrialized society. So building more jails won't work. We've been doing that for decades. So the answer is that Canada has good firearms laws that allow a person to own a firearm for hunting and target practice. Canadians have a relatively simple registration system that does a good job of keeping their people safer. The NRA in America kills more people than Osama Bin Laden ever did. We need to ban semiautomatic firearms and ban large ammunition clips.
hesback:Mika from Russia?
Rex: Logic is not coincided freedom in the minds of the insane tee potty!
Rex, my wifes uncle hunted all up and down BC....died before I could take him up on a try myself.......he was a true sportsman.....Canada and USA.........
xxx, we really need to start keeping a record on who is who, They get deleted then there is no trace.....works in their favor.
THANK YOU REX FOR YOUR INFORMATIVE POST.
is assuming things that he knows nothing about. We have many great presidents, senators, emp and congressmen, mothers, farthers,sons, and daughters who never served in the military for reason or the other.
Romney has five of those. Don't think WWW served either?
One thing you have to give EO credit for: he loves to tell people he knows nothing about unpatriotic, unAmerican. I thing those tittles fit EO quite well. Hey, EO, I served as well, and you will say I'm unamerican and unpatriotic. I didn't serve 20 years, only 6, 3 of which were in combat.
E.O. I am not claiming to be a hero but I am 20 year veteran calling you a coward and a right winged pussy. I was with the 1st Infantry Division out of FT, Riley, Kansas that was part of VII Corps that went from Saudi Arabia to Kuwait into Southern Iraq. VII Corps was inactivated after the war with its home base being in Germany. Were you there in the Persian Gulf yourself? Talk to me about the British Challenger tank versus the American Abrams? Tell me what Iraqi units had T-72's and which Iraqi Army units had T-54/55's. Which tank do you think is better? You forgot the most important lesson of military service: empathy for your fellow countrymen. Remember your drill instructor talking to you about never leaving a fallen American behind? The drill instructor was not just talking about combat zones, he or she was also talking about the rest of your life. You don't leave people behind you should try to build the country up rather than what you are doing and wishing to tear it down so you can get another tax cut.
Its okay for responsible gun owners to own firearms but the NRA has went off into right winged wacko land supporting policies that mean insane people get a hold of AK-47's and Glock 9mm semiautomatics. Gun violence kills over 30,000 Americans by murder, accident, or suicide annually. Go to the public library and your research and you will learn that Osama Bin Laden killed about 3,000 Americans on 9-11. The NRA helps kill tens of thousands of Americans annually, plus tens of thousands of Mexicans in the drug war, and even some Canadians.
Rex. handshake
last unit i spend time with was the 3/7 cav (Gerry Owens) 3id VII corp.
smiling the Abrams was just coming out. but i can tell you that the M551 Sheridan i was on while in Germany could and would run circles around the 54/55, even match with a 72 as well.
REX - Semper FI. I was in the MARINE CORPS during the early 80's and survived Beirut Lebanon in 1983.My play toy then was a 155mm Howitzer ( I played with the big guns ).But anyhow,it's people like this bozo who shouldn't be owning guns and I agree when you say the NRA should be banned.I am not a member of it and never will and I own 9 guns myself.Not a single one is a semi automatic and I don't think I really need one either.
The NRA wants to keep arming these paramilitary groups and the Aryan Brotherhood idiots. Those are the people we REALLY need to worry about. They're nuts. Crazy loons. But very dangerous.
gotoleft, Thank you for your service. My husband was in the Air Force.
india
here is another piece of candy little girl.
http://youtu.be/CJYVH_kZkOk
TC, Thank you.
I saw that done at Heinz Hall in PGH several years ago!
No one but you could get away with calling me little girl! LOL
India
Arron Copeland and George Gershwin are my favorite composers along with of course Ray Wylie Hubbard.
http://youtu.be/BUfI6v6SwL4
So ALL YOU GOP SLOP eaters go enjoy judging liberals and anyone else not like you and YES Emperor Obama, it IS about "personal responsibility" so let Rush own up to HIS!
yep personal responsibility makes me vote for Obama............not listen to some druggie school drop out.......yellin............
EO....donate all your money to Rush....hurry............he's implodin and gonna need a fix sooooooooooooon...............
SO why did Barrack Hussien Obama change his NAME???? from Berry Sotero??
Vote NObama 2012!!
Its a FACT that people in the Tee Potty are schizophrenics. It explains allot don't it!
love to play with you trolls(re regs) but I have to show some respect for the families that lost loved ones due to the insanity of someone who thought he had the right to use weapons on innocents and showed....he had no reason to have one in the first place....God bless the innocents of our planet.....gotta go........
Yup like I said CRAZY people ^^^^^^^^ x take your magic underpants off your head. and put down the KOOLAID.....
Vote NObama 2012!!
"I really like "Nofoolingus" He doesn't menses his words. ROTFFL
Bubble gum!
Like, have you ever been a kid of divorces parents? Lucky you! Barry was a nick name his friends and tag him with. Cute don't you think. Much easier to say and remember. Sort of like I call you b, instead of b113.
When you mother remarries you some time take up the new husbands name if you live under his roof with your mother. Not usual. Too bad we need to explain these facts to you. My grandson using his mothers name some of the time and his fathers some of the other times. I taught schools for years and this was a common practice among my students.
Another whack job drunk on tea.
TM, I got bubblegummed twice today, too!
nofoolingus
thank God for good non judgmental liberals that don't judge conservatives because you guys are above such things thanks for proving it by example. <sar>
Here's the passage from his book, Dreams from My Father, where he discusses his
drug use:
"I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though—Mickey, my potentioal intiator had been just a little too eager for me to go through with that."
Why is it that Nobama calls Rommey a Felon, when NObama in his Autobiography admitted to doing drugs, weed and Cocaine... Last I remember drugs are ILLEGAL inthis country... NOW thats a felony......
Vote NObama 2012!!
Remember to state it is taken out of contexts: He was explaining how he felt at that age. He was finding himself. An Admission to something far less than murder is not a crime. Drinking booze and experimenting with drugs does not making you a criminal, many have and many will but it does not land them in jail does it. .... or our jails would be fuller than they are today.
No romney can buy him self a good lawyer.....what else would he spend that money on. Let's see how the IRS feels about shall we. Now go search for some real evidence to make your point.
Most of us here read the books by Obama before he was elected. I appreciate the fact that he was so brutally HONEST. Some thing you will never see romney and friend being. HONEST!
SHOULD ROMNEY BE ARRESTED BEFORE OR AFTER HIS NOMINATION?
USnews, commentid=us-news
By Aunk (The Cultural Health Guy)
This seems to be proof that Mitt, Corporations are people, Romney has been
caught in a crime. Romney in trying to avoid his responsibility as an
outsourcing pioneer has dug a black hole of economic treason, that the people
will not tolerate.
Source: Proof Romney LIED about Bain
As I read it, this is a crime and Romney should be arrested.
So the question is, should Romney be arrested before or after his nomination
in August? As a criminal, should his taxes be reviewed for other crimes
regarding lying to other federal authorities? Is there a pattern and practice
of this type of criminal behavior?
It is seldom the case that a racketing criminal of this vulture capitalist morally debouched nature
has committed just one crime. We must make an example of Romney's type of
economic treason. Our President said on this matter that either Romney is lying
to the public or he is a felon based on what is in official
documents. We the American people will no longer tolerate Republican
economic royalist's lying or crimes
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82547368 wow nice EO...
Again T-Mom: nice try BUT Mitt Rommey did not sign it..........
We will see b, we will see?
All of you people need to step back and take a deep breath. This is a day that our country needs to put politics aside and drop the rhetoric at least for 24 hours. I feel sorry for all of you...on both sides...that are simply using this tragedy as a way to try topic on the other side.
just saying...
Gun convention to go to..Good riddance!
Here's a clue for you. You don't talk to anyone!
EO
nope you will not be back tomorrow, well not as EO but maybe another re-reg name.LOL
can you say Banned again. way to go Tyler.
Thank you, Tyler.!!!
This country's going to do what it always does. Toady up to the NRA. They've gotten guns allowed in state parks and they're currently trying to make it legal for those with mental illness to have their gun rights restored.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/us/03guns.html?pagewanted=all
The fact is, this is what they're shooting for.
What next hand grenades?
I think nucular bombs.
Than sticks and stones..
That is really scary that so many crazy people have access to guns and judges so willing to restore their rights.
T-Mom: yes my batmen Avatar would Bring to many bad memories... just a shame...
Tell your grandson that it wasn't batman that was evil.....again SAD so SAD...
Wow it looks like Emperor obama was deleted by my friend you will be missed....
There goes the 1st Amendment.... Are you Happy now.....
Ecstatic!
Hey PILOT, Rex I was a Jarhead 82-90, Infantry, In 81, my 2 buddies that were already in the USMC, both Beruit Vet's, anyway WE very simply took an UZI that one of them had bought LEGALLY, But with a few modification's, it would shoot the whole clip, That experience opened our eye's, we never did that again, Look at AZ, weakest gun law's what more need's to be said, I have NO problem with Stricter, Tougher Gun ownership Law's. Assault rifle ban I would sign a petition no problem, Something need's to Be done.
a old Dogface soldier to Jarhead>>Semper Fi my friend and brother.
Thanks for both your service...especially my 'ol pal Pilot.
John Handshake hello, how have you been?
Been good Pilot. Just healing up from a shoulder reconstruction. Im like a 57 chevy, I need to be restored..lol
Pilotshark, Thank you for serving the country!
Hey John, Do you still hear anything in Texas about that Allen Stanford Ponzi Scheme, In relation to Mitt and his son Tagg's starting a Buisness with the 3 guy's that worked with Stanford? Is it still being investigated or is it pretty much quiet?
Good morning, Sarge!
Thanks for being my Friend. <s>
We have a Beirut Vet on the blog. His name is Ted. He lives just down the road from me. Your buddies may know him.
I was NOT there, Ask him what Infantry Battalion was there when he was over.
think Ted was artillery guy. not sure what the USMC calls them.
CannonCocker
Yup that's what the Army calls them as well.
hello sarge
My son is a career marine just made Master Sgt last month Semper Fi. You will see me from time to time I am a conservative but only comment on economic issues and outlaw country music and a little classical. looking forward to engaging with you in the future.
No one is saying the assault weapons ban would be a 100% cure all for all of our gun violence but its a start in the right direction. We have simply had too many nut cases getting a hold of these dangerous firearms. If you have 200 rounds in clips, a madman can get off 200 round plus before the cops can even answer the 911 calls. If you have ever seen people in a combat zone who were on the receiving end of this you know that its no fun. I think large ammo clips are a bad idea. If the NRA was a decent organization they would be pushing for reforms in gun laws like education, outlawing of assault weapons, and other common sense thing like ending the gun show trade. Perhaps more licensing for gun ownership may need to eventually be put in place. There are no magic bullets for our gun violence problems but certain steps like the assault ban a first step in a long journey for our country.
REX I had a 1st Sgt when I was stationed at a Naval wpns base in England that told us jr. Leaders, Identify the Problem, Find Common sense Solutions to help solve or alleviate certain aspects of the Problem until higher Command can make Policy or Guideline changes to fix the Problem, and He would finish by saying If you offer no solution's to the problem, Then don't Bitch about the Problem!! This has alway's stuck with me and I constantly pass this on to the guy's on the Fire Dept. Simplified PROBLEM SOLVING. You have stated some very GOOD Ideas that can help Control parts of the Problem and with a little tweak here and there aspects of the Problem can be handled. SO, ALL of us on this BLOG have IDENTIFIED what the problem is in regards to Assault Wpn's or the high rate of fire capable Pistols that are available. Do WE sweep the problem under the rug OR as a Group do WE ALL take the lead and write up a Petition or something to try to get OUR or A Politician to START the Action, Trying to do Something is alot better than doing nothing.
Sarge, GW, We do need to get something done about these weapons, but as long as the T-party controls the House, they will never do it.
We are currently, as a country, being held hostage to these extreme ideologues! If Mitt wins the election, it will be 20 times worse.
I agree 100%, yes that is the 1st order of Buisness, But what I am also saying is Do WE let this story fade away into the history book's or Do WE voice our concern's in conjunction with the Election and NOT allow this Topic to be pushed under the rug?
Here is my Idea, I hate to volunteer people, But let's say that REX in MINN writes up a proposal and submits it to his Representative, and I submit the EXACT same proposal to mine, And PILOTSHARK does the same And INDIA does the same etc, is this not a possible start? Call me crazy, But, Isnt this how WE, as Citizens TRY to make a difference and get OUT REPS. to get the POINT of what WE would like to see addressed? Do WE all just As my Drill Instructor said, FLAP our JIB's and do nothing or Do WE actually TRY???
We need to reinstate the assault weapons ban. Plus there are other common sense things like eliminating much of the gun show trade. If that is impossible then better background checks need to get done. Most of us who were in the military tend to know that semiautomatics can get turned into automatic weapons pretty easily with some adapter kits to the sear portion of the triggering mechanism. I personally am not a gunsmith but for people who know what they are doing an AR-15 can get turned into a fully automatic M-16 pretty quickly and easily. The big long ammunition clips with 30 rounds are a real bad idea for public safety. Watch the NRA circle the wagons to protect both semiautomatic rifles and huge ammo clips. I dislike semiautomatic pistols too because long ammo clips give you same "200 rounds fired before the cops get there" problem. Whether any of this can get done in our polarized political environment will be an awful challenge. I'll write my two Senators and ask for a reinstatement of the assault weapons ban and more background checks at guns shows. At least its a start of a long journey.
Sarge and Rex, all good ideas. Why not? Let's start with instating the assault weapons ban. E-mail your reps, and ask them to reinstate that!
Ditto on GOOD background checks at gun stores.
gotoleft,
It will fade until the next tragedy. I agree. The NRA has deep pockets, and congress has open hands. I just don't know what it will take to get all these weapons of destruction off the streets. We certainly need to reinstate the assault weapons ban. That's just common sense. No one needs those.
Then there is Switzerland. Everyone has guns, but no violence! Why? It must have something to do with the American culture. Look at Canada. So little violence.
It is puzzling. It really is. What is different in this country? Is it the old wild west mentality? I wish I knew. I wish SOMEONE knew so at least some of it is alleviated. 30,000 people a year is a terrible statistic!
Gotoleft, Don't have a smoker but it looks good. How about I hope on a plane and eat that one? LOL
You mustn't tempt me with food!
I meant HOP on a plane. I hope the plane doesn't crash. I am no longer a good flyer.
I need a new computer. When my birthday rolls around in November, I am going to ask for one. The letters on this one double up or don't come out, making it take longer to type. I didn't hit the e on hop, but that's the kind of this this one does. Frustrating!
Rex I will start the same, I live in WI, and I will start contacting Politicians, See it is a Start
I'll do it in PA, Rex in MN, and you in WI.
Join us, all you bloggers. Power to the people!
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India THANK YOU I will try to keep track of the States.
Oregon as well