AAAHHHHHHH, SHUT UP. I'll vote who I want to.

Vote NO ROBME Romney 2012

Bet you didn't like Mitty in the primaries now your stuck with him so you have to be in love.

President Obama has proven he is a much better leader than any gop. Apparently some people either forgot bush2, or they are dull normal and know nothing.

Too bad your smoking gun is a smoking crack pipe

The right likes to pretend they have no one to thank for their suces and this have no ethical responsiblilty to leave anything or give back to that system well too you don't

You don't like that move to Somalia, there's no government and what little there is theocratic in nature, no taxes, no gun laws everyone gets their own RPG and AK47, and you can kill the black mulsims you want. No law or authority to stop you. Somalia=a right wing fantasy land.

Meanwhile I'm still waiting for someone to tell me any of Romney's plan or accomplishments

If you have a business and no one buys your product you have no business. The comsumer is the one that keeps business's going. It would be like me starting a Cat fur for sale business, how long do you think it would last. Consumers wouldn't buy my product.

@kesha108

It depends on the cat fur. I brush my cat and when I get enough I plan on spinning it into really pretty yarn. It's taking a long time, so I might be interested in the fur (NOT PELTS - no no no!!!!)

Once you get enough potential customers like me, you will need to find a place to get set up. You will need a rather big place to hold all the cats in a nice comfortable happy environment (happy cats = nice fluffy fur). So you need water, electricity, gas for heat and hot water, and a sewer system. You will also need to locate in a place that you can get to by road. Because all of the kitties will be very valuable, security will be a problem.

We have those things in my community already that I think might suit your needs. If you get set up and making a profit, we would expect you to help pay for this stuff - it's only fair.

b113 You are full of crap. Did the people who created a business build the roads to drive there.. Where did they get their education that taught them how to read and write?. You people ( The Robme bunch ) will say anything... Why don't you use some common sense.. Oh excuse me.. You don't know how.....

GO OBAMA -BIDEN 2012 !!!!!!!!

CC...if what you say is true, why is that survey after survey shows that people who consider themselves to be conservatives tend to give more of their money to charity organizations than people who consider themselves to be liberals?

The difference is that conservatives enjoy giving away their own money to people who are in need, liberals enjoy giving away other peoples money to people who are in need.

just saying...

also, eight of the top ten states that buy internet porn are red states. guess porn stars need love too.

Cynical is using a slippery slope argument that many liberals use. Republicans want limited government and responsible spending...therefore we want to pay no taxes and we want no government and would like to live in a state of anarchy like Somalia. I am curious where has anyone on the right, who is was not a complete nutcase, said anything where they wanted no government and no taxes?

The left wants you to think that because the government provides services paid through your tax dollars, that somehow you owe them some great debt of gratitude and somehow your success in lucky or unfounded. If government was the ultimate decider of success, wouldn't more people be successful and leftists wouldn't be whining so much about inequality?

By the way, why aren't these people in Freeport talking to their Obama bundling bosses at Bain? Shouldn't they be helping them out? Romney doesn't work there anymore.

thats what kills me about you ppl. 'we want a smaller goverment'! is what you whine about constantly yet you vote in your 'saviors' like reagan, bush one and two who ALL expanded the goverment while in office, and you elected bush jr TWICE! i reckon thats why sane ppl don't believe a word out of you 'CONservatives'.

Oh come on Cannon it's a joke it's satire mocking the neo-conservative demonization of any and all government taxes so I'm making fun of the neo-conservatives who whether knowingly or not encourage some extreme ideas.

The GOP never talks about how they believe taxes can be good but becuase of the tea party all taxes are evil. That is the public impression people get from the GOP. They should make clear everytime they talk about taxes that there are ones they like. The GOP as a whole has not been adamant that they do not hate all taxes.

The same for gun control, they don't want to have any and think people should be able to have whatever weapons they. No gun control in Somalia right?

Don't neo-conservatives of this era portray the concept of government to be inheritly bad? Neo-conservatives want or rather appear to want no government. Somalia's got that too

the whole thing is a joke however come to think of it this has one important note. This is sort of a warning against what could happen if the GOP controls the country and doesn't purge the tea party they will morph America into an Ayn Rand fantasy.

You along with the rest of the right have no understanding of what Obama was talking about when he said business doesn't become successful with no government assistance. The point is just attacking the prevalent theme that business men/women who have american companies benefit from from the apparatus of government.

It has nothing to do with tax increases what gets people worked up is when they themselves benefit in the american system they have an ethical responsibility to maintain that bridge after they cross it. Instead they want to burn it as soon as they don't need it anymore and then everyone else is lazy and only wants welfare. Paul Ryan recieved help from the government after his family died yet nlw he apparently thinks anyone who is aided by the government are lazy leeches.

Michelle Bachmann, farm subsidies, funding from the federal government for the evangelical therapy business professing what the AMA says isn't real science because they pray away the gay there

Fact is businesses and everyone else have at one point been helped through government so this idea that governments are all same and can not change

The idea that the left believes government alone can decide success is your imagination.

And on Bain Romney was the head so he would personally know the people in chrge and could be granted an audience with them at any time. Bill Clinton isn't a politician anymore but he still has great political influence. The people are saying they want Romney to act like Clinton and rescue them like Bill did for journalists Lisa/Laura Ling..don't remember which one but Mrs. Ling which ever one that it was.... remember that with North Korea. Romney is like in that he can probably negotiate with his friends to reach a resolution of some kind. He doesn't have to but he probably could

SG,

republicans do NOT want small gov't. you and i have had this discussion before. the only time we hear about repubs loving small gov't, is when a democrat holds the office of the presidency.

as far back as nixon we see that repubs have grown the size of gov't, and the deficit. the only difference is that repubs don't like the way democrats grow the gov't-THEY LIKE THE WAY THE REPUB PARTY GROWS IT BETTER. they think they have better judgement about what is needed in the world. for example when W. bush started two wars in afghanistan and iraq, he started the iraqi war in march of 2003, the same month he sent troops into iraq (the same month he pulled troops from the tora bora mountains in afghanistan when they had bin laden in their sites). who goes to war and signs the second part of the bush tax cuts into law?

i report none of my chartible giving. that way it really is charitable.

Cynical every argument you are making is a slippery slope argument.

The Tea Party does not believe all taxes are evil, everyone understands that the government provides needed services under the Constitution that we need to pay for. The tea party is against, what in their mind, is excessive taxation or taxation out of the scope of the governments role, not no taxation at all....big difference.

You are making the same argument with gun control, because many think government gun control is excessive does not mean they want no gun control...big difference. That would be like you and I arguing over a posted speed limit. You think 25mph is the correct speed limit and I think 45mph is more appropriate...therefore you say I want no speed limit and people can drive as fast as they want?

I do know what Obama meant - and yes I was probably going for a bit more shock value in my previous posts - but my issue with what he said is this. Obama, in my opinion, believes that government and the state is the solution to all of our problems and should take priority over the individual. We benefit from roads, bridges, public schools, etc. so therefore we should have no problem with giving more power, control, and money to them. I don't think he believes that the small business owner working 80 hours a week has nothing to do with their own success, but I do believe he feels that because government has helped them out (hasn't it helped everyone in some way), that those particularly successful owe a deeper debt of gratitude.

I hear it all the time in here...that rich people use more services. For example, the rich guy uses more roads if he ships products for the company he owns. OK - he also pays more to use those in the form of fuel taxes, tolls, vehicle registration fees, etc. Also, the last time I checked the highway system was open to everyone - feel free to start your own business and ship your own products. But the rich guy should always pay more, or he/she is cheating the system.

If Paul Ryan or Michelle Bachmann ever said that are against all taxes and all government services, and then took government services I would agree they are hypocrites...but refer to my speed limit argument.

John - you are right. Unfortunately, government rarely if ever shrinks, no matter the party. However, sometimes in life you need to make a choice. Guys like you love to point out that we voted for Bush twice (who many conservatives like myself were not fans of)...but who were we supposed vote for Gore, Kerry, or Obama? Haha.

So, your argument essentially boils down to this....Well, neither of these candidates are as conservative as I would like, so let me vote for the guy who I share LESS values and have LESS in common with. Yeah, I can't believe I didn't see that argument before!

One more point - yes I do remember the when Clinton went to North Korea in a diplomatic capacity to bring back Laura Ling, and yes I do get the comparison to a certain extent.

However, the North Korean government requesting a high profile figure like former President Bill Clinton to come over to release American prisoners, strictly for propaganda purposes (you didn't really think they were sentenced to 14 years "hard labor" did you?) is a bit different than making complex business decisions. Do you really think Romney could walk into Bain, snap his fingers, and everything that goes into running a successful and profitable company would change?

Don't you find it ridiculous that the left slams Bain as the epitome of corporate greed, yet Obama is taking money from them?

Go back and READ not "read" what I actually wrote and you will discover I made it quite clear if the GOP doesn't want to be cast in those lightings they should make it clear that they favor some gun control or taxes I have yet to see any tea party politician do that

It's like Romney he hasn't made clear what he is for only talking points on what he is against

The politicians need to make it clear that they don't believe all people receiving government assistance aren't leeches they haven't have they? You may not hold that belief but this has nothing to do with your views at its core it's about what they have said or not said

Michelle Bachmann's business gets money from the government when has she told us that? When has she said that government involvement in business like her own have a place? Never. It's always the hyperbole about leeches and free stuff. Don't cry people don't know what you trully believe if you have never trully told them.

The right has not said they think the speed limit should be 45. They haven't.

However, the North Korean government requesting a high profile figure like former President Bill Clinton to come over to release American prisoners, strictly for propaganda purposes (you didn't really think they were sentenced to 14 years "hard labor" did you?)

Hmm yes I do. The N. Korean government is one of the most tyrranical in the world and publishes literature on which grass can be good to eat since the people are starving. They put people who try to leave the country in prison. They worship ruling family as gods on penalty of imprisonment and torture. You think these women wouldn't have been sent to any camps. They put their own people into slavery at forced labor camps. Are you kidding that government has no respect for life!

But I love how you continue to misunderstand my points. My point is Romney ran Bain not so long ago so I would wager he knows all the senior members and is friends with them so he probably could get them to make a different choice if he was really devoted to doing that. I think it iisn't impossible. He won't but I certainly wouldn't say that argument is insane.

Better Question: if Obama has always demonized private equitty so much why did they give him money in the first place?

Loose cannon, suzette was 100% correct. the only time teabaggers want smaller goverment in when a dem is in the white house which makes the gop the fos party.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romney-and-his-departure-from-bain/2012/07/12/gJQAASzUfW_blog.html#pagebreak

Why does it matter when Mitt Romney left Bain Capital?

Millions of dollars of attack ads by the Obama campaign are hanging in the balance. If Romney left Bain in February 1999, when he departed to run the Olympics, then a number of business deals that went sour (such as KB Toys) can’t be counted as
part of Romney’s tenure. If he actually left in 2002, as the Obama campaign
alleges, then those deals are fair game.

We have looked at this issue before, back in January, and thought we had settled
it.

But now the Boston Globe has raised the issue again. The story seems to hinge on a
quote from a former Securities and Exchange Commission member, which would have
more credibility if the Globe had disclosed she was a regular contributor to
Democrats. (Interestingly, “The Real Romney,” a book on the former
Massachusetts governor, by Boston Globe reporters, states clearly that he left
Bain when he went to run the Olympics and details the turmoil that ensued when
he suddenly quit, nearly breaking up the partnership)

We’re considering whether to once again take a deeper look at this, though it really
feels like Groundhog Day again. There appears to be some confusion about how
partnerships are structured and managed, or what SEC documents mean. (Just
because you are listed as an owner of shares does not mean you have a
managerial role.)

To accept some of the claims, one would have to believe that Romney, with the
advice of his lawyers, lied on government documents and committed a criminal
offense. Moreover, you would have to assume he willingly gave up his share to a
few years of retirement earnings — potentially worth millions of dollars — so
he could say his retirement started in 1999.

UPDATE:
Fortune obtained the offering documents for a Bain Capital Fund circulating in
June 2000, as well as a fund in 2001. None of the documents show that Romney
was listed as being among the “key investment professionals.” As Fortune put
it, “the contemporaneous Bain documents show that Romney was indeed telling the
truth about no longer having operational input at Bain -- which, one should
note, is different from no longer having legal or financial ties to the firm.”

For interested readers, below is a summary of what we, FactCheck.org and Fortune
magazine have previously concluded.

The Fact Checker, Jan. 18, 2012

A 2002 statement he filed with the Massachusetts State Ethics Commission on his
financial interests lists ownership of various Bain entities, some of which
appear to intersect with the funds that invested in KB Toys. The document says
that Romney is “a passive, limited partner [with] no management capacity” in
many of these funds.

In the Massachusetts document, Romney is also listed as 100 percent owner of “Bain
Capital Inc.” But there is less than meets the eye here. Bain Capital Inc. was
the management firm, which was paid a management fee to run the funds and
actually made virtually no profit, since it existed to pay salaries and
expenses. After Romney formally left Bain in 2001, a new entity called “Bain
Capital LLC” took over the management function.

By virtually all accounts, Romney was focused on the Olympics in the 1999-2002
period. Yet because Romney had not legally separated from Bain, his name is
littered across Securities and Exchange Commission filings concerning Bain
Capital deals during this period. The crazy quilt of private-equity structures,
in some ways, makes his ownership appear even more ominous, as the filings list
hundreds of thousands of shares controlled by Romney.

Even so, it is a real stretch to claim that Romney — himself — “closed” these
stores. No evidence has emerged that he was involved in the KB Toys
transaction. Indeed, when creditors sued over the dividend payment, they named
six Bain-controlled entities and three Bain executives who had served on the
board of KB Holdings.

Given that the plaintiffs’ lawyers will try to list as many defendants as possible to
try to force a settlement, one can be certain Romney would have been named if
there had been any hint of his involvement. But he was not named, despite the
SEC filings suggesting his control of the shares.

FactCheck.Org, July 2, 2012

Vote NObama 2012!!

unless it comes from a nit wit.

"Senate Democrats are proposing a bill called the “Bring Jobs Home Act” that would end the tax break for moving jobs overseas and give businesses a 20 percent tax credit for bringing them back to America."

Senate Republicans will call it Nixonians socialist gift to the unions. Not protecting tax breaks for companies who send jobs elsewhere is now stalinism to the right like the idea that people should be able to know who gives to political campaigns.

On that note I don't want to hear a damn thing about transparency from any Senate Repbulicans who all fillibustered the disclose act. So remember next time you claim Obama isn't being transparent just remember you like that so you should be happy.

Cynical~ Did you know that a condition of the Supreme Court ruling on the Citizens United was that Congress would pass a Disclosure Bill? Now they have reneged on their agreement. Big surprise, huh? I think the SC should either strike down CU or rule that donors have to be disclosed. But with it being 5-4, I doubt that's going to happen. In fact they probably knew BEFORE they ruled the Reps would never vote for disclosure.

Shouldn't the Republicans in Congress be arrested for breaking the law? It is a law, now.

Gop baggers and all are soooo stupid.

Chris~ If you mean because they won't pass disclosure, I'm not sure. Did they put it in writing or get it recorded, or was it a "gentleman's agreement"? You would think they could get disclosure passed SOME way, wouldn't you?

a similar bill was passed by the senate 6 months ago and was promptly filibustered by the traitor teabaggers. credit the dems for giving the teabaggers one more chance to do the right thing for this country.... for once.

just like the repubs knew they would never agree to cuts in defense as per their prior "agreement".

The GOP 12th commandment "Thou shalt not question the job creators class for they are never wrong"

Job creators wealth up 275%, middle-class's up 28%.

Mine went way down.

Mine too! Soc Sec is so little, it's eating up my savings.

Well, mine did too. Those are just the figures.

he did and the teabaggers filibustered every one of them. damn you ppl are dense.

please, baggers, please, continue to ignore the filibusters and obstructionism going on by the repubs in washington.

O look, a sock puppet with two personalities patting itself on the back. Please.

Especially if you have a bird brain.

they will also give you tax credits to ship your jobs overseas, courtesy of the teabaggers.

You like the "export everything" act that the Repubs like. Typical conservative patriot.

so leave it to crybaby boehner, he'll give those tax credits to exxon, shell, and mobil oil like he does with the other 4 billion a year they get from us taxpayers.

In addition, workers at one company are customers for other.

Another way to look at it is that workers are investors in a company.

Some people invest their money and expect a return - and rightly so.

Other people invest their time and energy and also expect a return.

You are so right-it's demand from the consumer that create jobs. Had Steve Jobs not had a product that the consumer wanted where will he be?

Along with the buisness that Romney supported, that son Tagg opened with 3 People that worked with ALLEN SANFORD aka. Allen Sanford Texas PONZI......

and you voted for bush not once but twice, correct? who's the idiot?

home straight back to the white house. keep going mitty, your doing a fine job.

oh we know who's responsible for the economy holy @!$%#...here's a hint. 'we will make obama a one term president'...'nothing will pass this senate'...and a record number of filibusters proves it. the ppl in this country know all about the obstructionism my politically confused friend..welcome to second place this november.

Why isn't Romney talking about his plan for the economy

I think you might be missing the point here, Felicia. In it's entirety, What Husein said shows his total ignorance about the economy. He thinks the Gov. makes you what you are today, not the individual. Deep down, it is a total Marxist statement.

VOTE NOBAMA 2012

Wrong again without government businesses couldn't afford to pay for services government provides, you can't open a business without streets nor can the business stay open when roads aren't repaired things tax dollars provide that businesses have to have.

Once again, Whomy you miss the point. It's the people that make this country great, not the gov. There is some hand and hand cooperation that has to happen, but still it's the people that make it great.

So with your theory, if you pay no taxes, you cannot use the roads?

When Mit Romney makes a "misstatement" (and granted he does seem to make a lot of them) he is called a "liar" but when President Obama does it - well than that is ok- this is a kind of chicken or egg deal- what comes first an effective government or effective business enterprise- in a sense one can not exist without the other (or at least with out a reliable legal system) President Obama would suggest and this is not out of context that government plays a major role in the development of small business- which is fundamentally not true- it was the individuals that came up with the capital and the idea for the business- the government may in effect help that business succeed (e.g. roads etc)- but that is not some kind of gift- the taxes that the business pays or the gas tax we all pay paid for the roads etc.

No misstatements just right wing lies that government has no positive effect on anything and so it should be starved to death. If you shipped something on a road you benefitted from what was accomplished through the apparatus of government.
Five years of campaign zero plan from Romney=neck in neck with the president he claims he responsible for such a terrible economy

CC- as I think I said- there is clearly a connection/benefit between the operation of a business and services from government- but isn't it the government's job to build and maintain roads and don't we as tax payers provide the funds for the roads- funds derived in some cases from the intiative and capital of small businesses?

Whine whine whine Ed is not the worst and really bad mouthing your host is very very bad manners.

Fox News Viewers Know Less Than People Who Don't Watch Any News: Study

First Posted: 11/21/11 05:28 PM ET Updated: 11/21/11 06:06 PM ET

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Fox News viewers are less informed than people who don't watch any news, according to a new poll from Fairleigh Dickinson University.

The poll surveyed New Jersey residents about the uprisings in Egypt and the Middle East, and where they get their news sources. The study, which controlled for demographic factors like education and partisanship, found that "people who watch Fox News are 18-points less likely to know that Egyptians overthrew their government" and "6-points less likely to know that Syrians have not yet overthrown their government" compared to those who watch no news.

Overall, 53% of all respondents knew that Egyptians successfully overthrew Hosni Mubarak and 48% knew that Syrians have yet to overthrow their government.

Dan Cassino, a political science professor at Fairleigh Dickinson, explained in a statement, "Because of the controls for partisanship, we know these results are not just driven by Republicans or other groups being more likely to watch Fox News. Rather, the results show us that there is something about watching Fox News that leads people to do worse on these questions than those who don’t watch any news at all."

This isn't the first study that has found that Fox News viewers more misinformed in comparison to others. Last year, a study from the University of Maryland found that Fox News viewers were more likely to believe false information about politics.

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LOL..that just proves how many idiot teabaggers there are in this country... all mindles idiots who know less that someone who doesnt watch news at all..what a shame