Fox News Anchor Geraldo Rivera was on Fox and Friends this morning to talk about crime in the Chicago area but he couldn't help but bring up Trayvon Martin.
"I was right about the hoodie wasn’t I?" Rivera said, "I mean, I hate to brag, but I got criticized by every pundit in America when I said Trayvon Martin would be alive today but for the fact that he was wearing thug wear – he was wearing the hoodie."
Rivera had been criticized for saying that George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin's clothing and not his race. Rivera's own son took to twitter take issue with the statement.
This morning, Rivera said Zimmerman's interviews with police to prove his point. "He didn’t profile Trayvon Martin because he was black, he profiled him because he was wearing a hoodie," Rivera said.
The killing of an unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin garnered national attention since it happened in February. Federal investigators were dispatched to look into the racial element of the shooting. The FBI released a report today saying race was not a factor.
George Zimmerman is charged with second degree murder for killing the 17-year-old in a gated community in Sanford, Florida.



g.riv - What an Idiot !!!!!
Indeed! What if the paranoid killer didn't have a gun? I know that chicken$hit George would have never gotten out of his car! And then Trayvon would still be alive.
While not knowing what motivated GZ it doesn't change the fact that certain clothing types are stereotyped. Kicking Rivera for pointing that out doesn't change the facts.
Unfortunately, blacks also struggle against other negative cultural stereotypes. With some being backed by statistics.
Throw in 8-9 burglaries by black youth in the gated community in the previous 12-15 months and conditions\circumstance led to a tragedy.
So Rivera's point is that Zimmerman isn't an @!$%# for shooting a kid because he was black, he was an @!$%# for shooting him for his choice of clothing.
Quite a difference, there, Geraldo.
Either way, Zimmerman shouldn't have had a gun!
These Wrongies Sure Do Portrait themselves As GOD-LIKE -- Dont THEY -- Ha hahahahaaaaa !!!!! Isnt That Also Known of as Arrogance ??? Hmmmmm !!!!! GOMERS !!!
MD kind of reminds ya of what it was like when guys wore long hair and sandals huh. always the conservaturds who judge others by appearances. Funny thing MD I was in a store with jeans, baseball cap black boots and t shirt woman looked at me and said you are a biker aren't you lol.
and like romney, we have learned that zimmerman is a LIAR.
Suzette = Agree !!! Hope You Are Doing Well this Eve !!!! ♥♥♥
Hey Whom -Wuz-Up !!!!
What's the deal with clothes today.
Geraldo stay off TV until you have something intellectual to say. Second thought, just stay off TV. You head emptier than the vault.
Whom-you picked her up, didn't you?
I was on the campus of a major white university recently. As I sat in the parking lot, I counted no less than 20 students walking by wearing, you guessed it, hoodies. There were 15 males and 5 females, all white. I wonder if George Zimmerman would have profiled them. Not about race-indeed.
MD,
doing well, and you?
Nah Chris the SO was waiting out in the van and I'm sure she wouldn't let me bring home a play toy republican woman, SO's are funny like that, which is why you never tell them the truth about pants and butts.
are u and Chrissy going out?
Larry called he wants the $2.50 he sent you to meet him at the nearest airport bathroom to teach you toe tapping, you missed the appointment.
MDMI, you insult idiots, scumbag would be a better fit for brainless twit!
Nailed it!
Zimmerman is a racist as are you Jerry
The FBI doesn't seem to think so...
just saying...
"Racist" is just as much of a 'cop out" excuse as "killed because of hoody".
Archer...
Don't suppose you've ever heard of the Super-Hero RPG, Champions, have you?
The most important thing you need to take from this article is buried in the 2nd to last sentence
"the FBI released a report today saying race was not a factor"
I want all you race baiters chew on that for awhile
yes I'm talking to you Al Sharpton How many times have you pushed this race baiting agenda of yours to be proven wrong
Watch out Al, TRF's talking to YOU!
Whether race or fashion choice (hoodie) was the factor is in a sense irrelevant.
For whatever reason, George Zimmerman decided all by himself that Trayvon Martin was a threat that he, George Zimmerman, was justified in hunting down.
And that is just WRONG!!!!!!
Looks like TRF didn't actually click on the link re: FBI report and actually read the article. Same old same old. Zimmerman is a nut case, wack job, loose cannon, etc. He needs to be locked up!
I read it did you according yo your reply you must not have because there was nothing in that HuffnPuff article questioning Zimmerman sanity
Im glad with your superb psychoanalyse skill you was able to diagnosis Zimmerman's mental condition by reading a 1 page article that didn't even mention anything about Zimmerman's state of mind
Only if Mr Sharpton had the great insite that you have he would have never accused Zimmerman as a Racist
Oh, but I did. Did you miss that the police said he was confrontational; or the FBI said he had a "little hero complex" in that one page article? my opinion comes from the fact that i followed the story from the beginning. On tv, radio, news papers, etc. And Mr. Sharpton has nothing has nothing to do with my own opinions.
KV tea bagged republicans don't understand law any better then they understand politics. Nor do they understand mental disorders because they all have god complexes.
hi Whom. Just checked back to see if goofy responded to my post. You are right; and besides complexes, angry and hostile.
Maphi, And absent of notification or the consent of Congress, Obama decided all by himself to drop US bombs on the people of Libya, I wonder who killed more people Obama or Zimmerman?
ez that is to ez, GWB hands down.
Whom, ever heard of the Civil War? If you are expanding the field beyond the original options Lincoln would be the President you are looking for, of course no one can beat Mao with 70 million under his belt.
With that being said. The Martin family should be able to sue for damages!
Geraldo has been at Fox too long. He really started going downhill with that Al Capone's vault fiasco and has gone so far off the rails, Faux is evidently all he can get. I used to think he was on the side of the little guy, but now he's aligned himself with the Romneys, Ailes and Murdochs of the world.
Thank goodness we have FOX News, otherwise the ed show would have nothing to talk about.
SPAM
Thank goodness you have Fox Propaganda, or you wouldn't know what to think.
The FBI isn't always right. The agent who interviewed Zimmerman decided that race wasn't a factor. Was Zimmerman telling the truth, probably not.
He was asked were the running a race! That's it!
Or..He was asked if he watches NASCAR and he said no.
Nope a racist.
Should we be expecting a retraction and an apology from Mr Sharpton today on his show
I wont hold my breath
We don't get any from you.
It's about time we really SEE what this issue is ACTUALLY ALL ABOUT. This isn't about clothing and no matter what the FBI says, a white guy in a hoodie (if approached) would have been so in a very different way; not to mention the very probable likelihood that when the 911 opr told him to "stop", he most likely would have. None of us are in the defendant's mine, but as most black Americans know, we cannot EVER walk so freely in this nation because (especially our men) we cannot escape our Blackness and the historical labels assigned to us from the days of slavery in this country. Until YOU are willing to at least acknowledge this fact, this discussion will never go away. We have a Black American President in this country and he can't even escape, although all he want's to do is make things better for the good of the country.
and the facts show that the person that a black male has the most to fear is another black male.
just saying..
Rivera is an idiot and those who swallow this crap are fools! Hoodies range from haute couture to warm-up suits, most people have a hoodies...they don't get shot wearing them.
Zimmerman saw a black person and probably was looking for such an opportunity to play 'big man', trying to be a hero.
Speaking to Zimmerman's injuries, who among us wouldn't defend/fight for their life by trying to mortally injure someone who attacked them? Trayvon was fighting for his life, a teenager fighting against a fat mature man and unfortunately loss.
Only after the older guy found out he bit off more then he could chew and brought out his gun and shot the teen. Now here is where the angle of the shot as well as other factors come into play, if the bullet wound matches Z's claim the teen was grabbing for the gun or if it shows the shot was straight in as would be the case if Z had pulled the gun and fired. The biggest thing Z has hanging over his head is why he got out of the vehicle and chased the teen instead of waiting for police inside his vehicle, can't claim self defense or stand your ground when you caused the confrontation. Z has no police authority that would allow him to pursue M.
Yep.
The need for rivera to grand stand and pat himself is an ego issue that plays to those who need to have that type of mentality in there life.
The FBI findings only verify that ZIMMERMAN had less cause to make contact with Martin since NOW zimmerman cant use the BLACK BURGLAR SUSPECT as his reason to call in martin so if i was zimmermans lawyer i would send rivera a bomb.
How dumb is he now!!
if only zimmerman would of listened to the 911 dispatcher. but no he desided to take matters into his own hands and follow him. it was a senceless killing..
I wish I was smart as you libtards. Being able to know what both Zimmerman and Travon where thinking at the time. You guys a geniuses. What comes out of your superior minds just boggles the imagination. God help us!!
Well go back to 5th grade and get a better education. Wrong what comes out of the tea bagged republicans minds is pure delusions of paranoid fantasies. Whatever you do you better hope you never have any contact with law enforcement because you are going to admit to every unsolved crimes in the area you are in.
Whomy, Is there anything your little lib mind does not know? As usual, all you do is call names and babble like a 6 year old.
Right says the guy who thinks his opinion means anything more then any other name he has used before being banned for name calling and rule violations. Really if you would bother to read research and learn to form your own opinion instead of repeating what others have told you, maybe then you too would know more then the average parrot.
Whomy,
If anybody is going to be banned for name calling, You got to be on top of the list. Besides, I call them like I see them.
Right another words it is ok for you to call others names but if anyone points out your personal defects you whine.
You mean its alright for libs. to call names but not conservatives.
Typical liberal ideology. Hey is that your wimpy motorcycle? To bad your not man enough for a Harley.
So nothing to say on the subject because you don't seem to understand the topic so you switch to that good old tried and true play the innocent victim. In a way you are just like Z, you come in here thinking you can do and say whatever you like and no one has the right to call you on your bull@!$%# then when they do you whine you are a victim.
Does Florida really have a law prohibiting a person from exiting his vehicle if a Black Man is walking in the vicinity? In reading some of these post it appears many think Zimmerman is guilty of exiting his vehicle. Perhaps the punishment for the crime is being hit in the face, knocked to the ground, and having your head pounded into the side walk.
What a complete ignorant post made up in your own delusional mind and not meant to be factual.
So Who, It is not illegal for a guy to get out of his car when a Black Man is walking in the area. Is it legal to hit a man in his face, knock him to the ground, and pound his head onto the sidewalk?
It is illegal for citizens to play cop. Z did not just get out of his car, he chased M behind the apartments so you are full of misinformation.
2EZ
the problem you seem to not get based on your very small minded comments, is that ZIMMERMAN was on private property SO HE CANT act like he has the authority by making contact with ANYONE because he does not own the property he was on.
The big picture for a reasonable minded adult with have a brain is>>>>>would you like to live where you pay more then the market value for a home, and it has limited access to the public>>>>>and every time EZ you have some come visit you -----A zimmerman type person either follows them or questions where they are going ONCE they are inside the gate on the way to you house.
THATS the big mature picture>>any HONEST person would never stand for someone doing that ---and martin had it forced upon him because zimmerman couldn't wait for the police who he knew was on the way.
Zimmerman was not security and he was not working under contract for the twin lakes homeowners association so he has no right OUTSIDE his home to interfere, question , stop , or impede anyone in the common area.
AND before you go to this was it illegal, its not about it being illegal, its about the fact that he is a renter thus he doesn't determine who can come and go or what rules they do or dont follow.
Its not about martin, its about u and me and any other American citizens ability to be left alone while legally on private property.
CJ, Zimmerman was acting as a Private Citizen and to the best of my knowledge Private Citizens have no legal prohibitions on getting out of their cars, walking around a neighborhood, or engaging in conversation with others, even people they do not know. Martin was also acting as a Private Citizen, free to buy skittles, wear his hoodie, and around the neighborhood. Either individual was free to approach the other and engage in conversation. Either individual was even free to follow the other. And while unlawful either individual was free to physically assault the other. The question in this case is not why did Zimmerman do what he did or what Martin was wearing. The question is who initiated the physical confrontation, who struck the first blow? If it was Martin, Zimmerman was defending himself. If it was Zimmerman, you have a murder. I have yet to see the answer to that question. I believe there is ample evidence, both physical and testimonial, to support the conclusion that Martin was beating Zimmerman. Witnesses corroborate Zimmerman's description of the fight as does the injuries to Zimmerman's face and head, and the grass stains on his clothing. So we know there was a fight and Zimmerman was not doing well. We know Zimmerman shot and killed Martin. What we do not know is who started the physical confrontation. Until we know that all else (race, clothing, neighborhood watch, etc...) is a moot point.
As for your last statement, "Its not about Martin, its about u and me and any other American citizens ability to be left alone while legally on private property". We are not free to be left alone on private property. Freedom is not a commodity reserved for the few or only the good. Eventhough we have laws prohibiting certain acts, People are still free to break in to your home, to steal your property, or even to kill you. The last thing this is about is our freedom.
Wrong again it is clear that you know nothing of the law. Sorry but you do not have the right to play cop. Which is what Z was doing. Z was not even from that part of the area he was out of his watch area and he had no rights to follow M just because of clothing or race or that he was supposedly a watchman. Once Z reported M his job was done end of story. You also leave out that Z was asked if he was following M and when he said yes 911 told him that he didn't need to do that. I have the right to walk on sidewalks without being harassed by anyone outside of police officers.
Hey 2ez4u, You argument is spot on but you'll never convince Whomy for He knows everything. HE talks like he was there that night and seen it all. I wish I was that smart!!
Well compared to you I know 3 year olds that know more then both you and ez. e is making up laws that don't exist. As well as not understanding that Z did more then just got out of his car.
Whom, That Dispatcher could have told him to go to the bank and withdraw a million dollars, that doesn't make it a law nor does it mean a Private Citizen must comply. How was Zimmerman playing Cop? Did Zimmerman use emergency signaling equipment restricted for law enforcement personnel to affect the stop? Did he identify himself as a Cop? Was he in a donut shop waiting for a radio call from the dispatcher? Believe it or not in the United States the citizen is free to do any thing he or she wants. It is not unlawful to get out of your car, to follow some one,or to disregard the advice of a dispatcher. People are also free to dress in black, prowl through neighborhoods at night, and commit burglaries. Of course there are criminal ramifications for the later. God forbid our freedom to move about is restricted to the degree you suggest. You may want to rely on the Police for the protection of your property and life, but others do not. Do you think the previous burglaries in the area were stopped in progress by the Police? It is far more likely the Police were no were around where those break ins and thefts occurred. You have to remember Police typically respond to crime after the fact.
2Ez...
You are wasting your time trying to reason with WHOM. You have a better chance of having an intelligent conversation with a doorknob.
Notice how the leftie spin on this story keeps changing in order to try and support a new position when their old one has been debunked? First it was that Zimmerman was a racist...then it was he wasn't in a fight and that he had not been beaten up....then it was that he wasn't in his area on Watch patrol. Now, its that he was on Private Property. Who knows what their next line of insanity will be.
As I have said from the beginning, NONE of us know what really happened out there that night. It is a tragedy that a young man lost his life for whatever the reason was. The court system will decide whether Zimmerman is guilty or innocent of any crime. If he is guilty, put him away behind bars for the maximum time allowed. If he is innocent, let him go and everyone leave him alone.
just saying..
So sayeth capt re reg only like you capt re reg just don't know anymore then the latest Fox news TV report that Fox news made up.
Fact M went to the store to buy Skiddles and a soda. Fact as M is walking back to dads gf's home Z is driving down the street see's M and calls the police because Z thought a young black male wearing a hoodie walking in the rain was suspicious behavior. Fact M was on his cell phone talking to his gf and told her that some weirdo was following him in a car, M decided to go behind the apartment buildings and take the common grounds sidewalk where there are no streets. Z gets out of his car and runs to the back of the buildings in pursuit. Z is on his cell phone with 911, 911 asks Z if he is chasing M, Z says yes, 911 tells Z he doesn't need to do that then sets up a meeting between Z and police where Z is supposed to wait for police, Z agrees then hangs up. According to M's gf, Z confronts M and demands to know what he is doing in the area, M asks Z who is he and why is Z following him. A scuffle ensues and M's cell phone goes dead, fact. 911 starts getting phone calls about a disturbance then reports of a gun shot, fact. Police arrive and find Z standing over M, Z claims he was standing his ground because M attacked him from behind and Z feared for his life so he shot M, fact. When police ask Z why he got out of his car Z claims he was looking for a street sign and was walking back to his car when M attacked him, fact. Police do not believe Z and want to arrest him, fact. The chief of police and the DA show up and let Z go despite the investigating officers belief that Z was not standing his ground, the officer then files a protest letter once he gets back to the station over letting Z go, fact. So outside of your prejudices just what makes you believe Z is innocent and M is guilty. Don't try your apples to oranges bull@!$%#, this isn't about gangs in other states or homes broken into or any of the other nonsense you try to use, just based on the facts explain just how Z had a right to stand his ground but M didn't, and mind you that M was doing nothing illegal, the one who was breaking the law was Z who took it on himself to play cop.
Whom, The fact is you left out the one question that must be answered. "Who initiated the confrontation?" If the girlfriends statement is accurate, Zimmerman initiated a conversation. There is a big difference between a physical altercation or battery, and a conversation. So I ask where in the facts known to you did you come to the conclusion Zimmerman assaulted Martin during the contact? Base on the facts as you stated them to be, a reasonable person would conclude Martin initiated the assault. Martin was aware of Zimmerman following him. Martin changed his route. Martin ran. When confronted by Zimmerman, Martin was in all probability afraid. A reasonable response to that fear would be to attack. That said do you believe it is alright for one citizen to beat up another, or should Martin have called 911 and let the Police do their job. If your opinion that Zimmerman took the law into his own hands and acted like a Cop, you must surly believe Martin did the same thing. Martin sees this strange guy following him, he is in fear, yet he doesn't call the Police. Martin's solution is to break Zimmerman's nose, knock Zimmerman down, and beat Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk. That sure sounds like LAPD tactics to me, remember Rodney King?
It doesn't matter ez, the confrontation would have never happened if Z had not pursued M. So it is not a matter of who threw the first punch, Z was in the wrong for following M which is why he is facing 2nd degree murder charges. You as a private citizen can not stop another private citizen and start questioning them, you have no authority. That there is evidence showing Z confronted M and demanded what M was doing shows Z in the wrong, That is the law, private citizens not on their property can not confront other citizens when there is no criminal activity, walking down a sidewalk is not criminal activity nor is looking around while walking nor is wearing a hoodie.
2EZ...
so many parts of Whom's concept of the events of the night are wrong that it is hilarious.
First...he was not buying Skiddles...he was buying Skittles. Since Whom has had so much fun criticizing others about their spelling, I had to point that out.
Second...based on the recorded phone call, it appears that Z did not make any assumption about the racial aspect of M until asked by the dispatcher
Third...from all accounts that I have seen, Z was parked when making the call to police.
Fourth..M was to just walking in the rain, he was darting in and out of the areas around the buildings. Yes, I realize that if he was trying to avoid the rain, that is a natural act, but given the rash of burglaries in the area, it also is reason for suspicion.
Fifth - according to the recorded 911 call, at some point M is walking towards Z while he was in his car talking to the dispatcher. Z indicated concern because of the fact that M had his hand in his waistband.
Sixth...Nobody in the 911 call said anything about "chasing" M, but used the word following.
Seventh - it was at this point that Z got out of his car and moves in the direction that M had run, since he had lost sight of him.
Eighth - This is the point at which the conversation between M and his girlfriend is taking place.
Ninth...This was the point that the"confrontation" takes place.
I realize that minor details and facts are an inconvenient truth to people like Whom, but they actually do make a difference.
just saying...
STORM
i see after following this a bit that EZ and you, like me, notice WHOM may not be a whiz at this posting stuff.
But the message or point he has been consistent in making is all about CHOICES and actionable activity.
I like to do the number system to keep things straight in my head too, and i also am horrible about transferring what is in my head down to my fingers and typing it so ANY ONE can follow my point.
My interaction here in commenting on your posts is that the 2 facts that do matter that seem to keep being disregarded or not addressed is
1. zimmermans inability to wait for the police REGARDLESS of losing site of him. For as many ride alongs and police buddies, he would know that the police would sweep the area or consider the call UTL unable to locate.
2. Zimmerman had no actionable motive to have martin stopped nor did he have any legal ground to act on any suspension in his mind about martin. Because he was not on public property and he did not witness any criminal activity to allow a citizens arrest form to be filled out regardless.
Again I am not running up to COVER WHOM, i am letting you know that this make fun of someone works because you can, but it doesn't take away from the meaning of the comments.
which still come back to a choice that Zimmerman didnt have to make. I am not sure why there seems to be such a NEED to disregard logic and suggest that YOU OR EZ would stand for a zimmerman type guy where you live.
I find it odd that people would think that they could deal with a person who everytime YOU have a guest family or friend visit , a zimmerman type guy, WOULD ask your guests, family or friends where they are going.
if you an honest person, everyone knows you would not tolerate that type of behavior by a fellow townhome owner because
1. you know that zimmerman type guy only owns his home and not the community common area of your condo
2. that zimmerman type guy does not work for your condo via a contract to do security nor to enforce code of conduct rules
3. that he pays association dues and thus to have any issue LIKE you having to many visitors he can attend a condo meeting to address it.
4. He is not a member of a watch group appointed to determine who can be on the grounds of YOUR condo unit.
EZ
your comment is all based on WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT the law based on PUBLIC property. this was private SO there are no rights to citizens that extend to PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND let me get this out of the way---->>>>>>i am explaining this so that you can ADD something to your gray matter. This is not ME telling you something to prove i know more they you or that i am better then you.
IT IS TO INFORM YOU ABOUT something YOU have missed and clearly do not know.
And aside of how you feel about the zimmerman issue my REPLY is first to inform you. And then depending on how honest you are ----you will be able to REACH the same conclusion reasonable minded informed adults reached when this story broke.
Which was that zimmerman was not on public property so he has no grounds to speak, confront, interrogate, question, stop ANYONE on private property.
WHY?
1. he was in the common space of the twin lakes housing area NOT public street
2. He does not own the common space of the twin lakes complex
3. he owns a home in a private, NOT public development
4. He was not doing security which means he did not have a written contract to patrol the area to enforce, NOT THE LAW) but to enforce the private property rules or expectations of the complex.
5. He was not an official neighborhood watch person which has rules its MEMBERS cant carry weapons and are not allowed to be confrontational.
6. He pays an association FEE every month which provides for the upkeep of the physical maintenance of the condo complex and the establishment of a condo association where rules and expectations on conduct is listed in a handbook. He also is provided as is every member of the 235 town-homes in the complex a time and place to meet with the condo association so HE COULD ADDRESS issues like, problems with unknown guests as a topic.
In the end, its not about him getting out of the car, its not about him disregarding the dispatcher, its all about him respecting martins right to be left alone because he was on the property legally and the time was a reasonable at 7 pm for ANY PERSON to be out in the common area of the twin lakes condos complex.
CJ, Public or Private Property really doesn't matter in this incident. Both were there lawfully. Neither had violated the law prior to the physical assault, and we don't know who that was Zimmerman or Martin. It appears you are saying People should not be free to engage strangers in conversation, when you suggest Zimmerman should have respected Martin's right to be left alone. The residences should have that same right, but guess what, burglars don't think they do. Burglars that commit their crimes at night, burglars that dress like Martin, burglars that run when followed, burglars that hide when discovered, and lastly burglars that will fight to prevent capture. Martin's actions were consistent with the very behaviors of a burglar. I am not saying he was, only that it is reasonable for Zimmerman to think he was.
EZ
try not to LOOK LIKE A FOOL, it has everything to do with this. You seem to no get it,
there is a difference between YOU legal ability to interact with people.
If you knew anything about your rights via the constitution and the bill of rights
that tells you what you can expect from the goverment and what the government is bound to when dealing with YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Thus citizens do not have those rights on PRIVATE PROPERTY. And again lets make this very clear, THIS IS THAT POINT where you LEARN the differeance not GET BENT because i replied.
any body with the basic concept of owning property knows the difference.
Zimmerman has NO ACTIONABLE authority. NOW your have to remember what he said his reason for wanting to call on martin was. HE CALLED because he thought martin looked suspisious.
On public propety he can do that. ON private property he cant assume any AUTHORITY because he does not OWN THE PROPERTY where this event took place.
TWIN LAKES condos owns that land, and since zimmerman cant enforce the rules because he is not security he had 2 things he could do.
1. he could complain to the on site manager or have him come to him and both of them locate martin
or
2. as he did the right thing was to call the police, after the call he had no grounds to pursue martin to locate him for the police because he would have TO HAVE STOPPED martin so the police could find him and martin, zimmerman doesnt have the POWER to act on behalf of the twin lakes condo association where he is only a home owner not A LAND OWNER.
And dont lie, talking on a phone and eat food and walking from a store is not BURLGARY ACTIONS.
this is not a back and forth where SOMETHING SHOULD apply and others dont.
When you pay someone else to use that space thats all you are in charge of, zimmermans home was not where this took place, it was in the community area of the complex.
and again I AM telling you to go check your self. laws are for the public, expectations or rules are private.
And again dont look at this as because I AM TELLING YOU,. think about it
if you go to a store security can stop and check your bags or receipt, because you are on PRIVATE PROPERTY if you were in public the police or security guards have to have a ARTICULATE a reason to stop or even check your bag.
If you go to a movie theater you are on private property so getting someone thrown out for noise is not against the law its against the movie theaters polices.
zimmerman cant act on his own suspensions when nothing else is present. this is basics civics of what the american dream is all about.
EZ
by the way -- your statement here: . Even though we have laws prohibiting certain acts, People are still free to break in to your home, to steal your property, or even to kill you. The last thing this is about is our freedom.
A mature person knows this last statement is FALSE, due to the basic reason this country was started.
The second problem is that FREEDOM to be left alone is EXACTLY why the bill of rights and the constitution tell us how the government must treat us and what limitations they have when we are on our own PRIVATE PROPERTY.
What your missing is the fact that THE AMENDMENTS ARE CLEARLY WRITTEN, the issue is choice.
Someone CHOOSES to break into your home, someone CHOOSES to disobey the law, and like the Zimmerman case, he chose to question martin based on his own suspicions NOT ANY FACTUAL information(wanted poster- twin lakes warning letter- public warrant ) or observed criminal act, not even a twin lakes condo code of conduct violation.
Just what his MIND told him, thats called A CHOICE.
CJ, The last statement I made was perhaps the truest statement ever made. People are free to do what they want, good or bad. Do you think the Constitution creates some kind of invisible barrier preventing people from doing evil. Surly we have laws prohibiting specific acts or behaviors, but people are still free to commit them, regardless of the Constituion or the Laws. The only way to prevent crime is to eliminate the individuals ability to make that "Choice", and that Sir would be the end of Freedom as we know it.
2EZ
dont be a dink, i never have implied about magical mystical events that prevent crime, only that for you to make comments that MARTINS ability to be left alone does not exist because ZIMMERMAN cant control himself is all about CHOICE.
ZIMMERMANS CHOICE to think less of martin because he was black or because he wore a hoodie, which made his mind say this citizen doesnt get the benifit of THE OTHER people in this complex because zimmerman had determined HE DIDNT BELONG.
The basic premise of my reply is as i have said before,YOU WOULDNT stand for some guy in your complex always stopping , staring, blocking, questioned any one who came to hang out with you.
THE ANSWER IS NO, so why do you get to prefer that and martin shouldnt.
Again this is all about respect for your fellow citizen espacilly when you live in a gated community, because the public at large doesnt have unlimited access to it.
THUS any reasonable minded person would assume, that anyone at 7 pm walking in plain view on the phone with his hood up in the bad weather -- is on the grounds legally.
Because as to date there are no other HOMEOWNERS who have indicated that zimmerman harrassed, questioned, suspected, called on any of them enough for them to suggest that THIS IS A PATTERN.
Its not it was a POWER TRIP and an oppoutunity for zimmerman to punk someone who he knows fits a sterotype that allows for others to look the other way IF this had not went south on him.
But just so you know, MINUS HIM killing martin, do you know what the police would have done when they arrived.
They would have ask Zimmerman what criminal act he observed, and they would have asked who he represents, and once Zimmerman would have said, I observed nothing, and i did not witness any criminal activity and then it was noted that martin was a guest of a resident,
THE POLICE WOULD HAVE LEFT A.S.A.P because there legal power to detain martin did not exist.
CJ, It is not unlawful to be disrespectful. It is unlawful to beat some one. As for what the police would have done you really have to take all the available information into account. We know there have been several burglaries in the area. We know some of the suspects in those burglaries belonged to a gang and that the gang members were Black and they typically wore black hoodies. We know the burglaries were committed at night. We know Martin attempted to evade Zimmerman. A good Police Officer would use these facts as a basis for Reasonable Suspicion to stop and detain Martin. For the protection of the Officers a pat down of Martin's person and possessions for weapons would in all probability be conducted. A check for wants and warrents on Martin would also have been conducted. You are correct in saying they would have identified Martin as a visitor to the community and verified it by making contact with the Father. Only after the Police inquiry became fruitless would the detention be terminated and Martin released.
EZ
there you go again , thinking publicly, reasonable suspicion is not something A POLICE OFFICER has to establish, when on private property, he has to have a complainant that is willing to go to court and be a witness and swear BY arresting that person with a citizens arrest form or clear evidence observed by the officer in PLAIN SITE.
A GOOD OFFICERS KNOWS that with no crime and Zimmerman not having any authority representing the twin lakes property, he would not TOUCH MARTIN because there is no legal basis for it. And an officer safety pat down would be something an officer knows he takes a risk on because the likely hood of martin being detained is low after to speaking to zimmerman about WHY the police are there.
And any officer would TELL zimmerman he has options as i have already stated because the officer knows its not his ability to tell twin lakes how to maintain there property.
Burglaries in the area wouldn't justify any officer putting his job on the line over a unsubstantiated claim.
Again in the end, this comes down to principals of how we live and function on a basic level.
And a reasonable minded person knows they would not tolerate a zimmerman in there life or in there complex acting this way and neither would you. why martin has to be subject to it is exactly why zimmerman is where he is at.
CJ, The Police Officer would have been invited onto the Private Property by a resident of that property. That resident reports that he observed several behaviors consistent with criminal activity, specifically burglary. Those observations included knowledge of the previous burglaries, knowledge of the gang affiliation of those arrested in those previous burglaries, knowledge of the clothing typically wore by those gang members, the knowledge that those previous burglaries were committed at night and in the immediate neighborhood. In addition the witness or complainant reports the fact that the individual (Martin) didn't live in the community, that Martin was wearing a hoodie consistent with gang apparel, that Martin had walked between homes, in their backyards, and that he evaded (ran and hide) from him. Based on that information any prudent Police Officer would at a minimum, stop and detain Martin, conduct a search of his person and possession. Law Enforcement procedures do not change significantly when on Private Property vice Public. On the other hand, maybe you are use to dealing with on of those Donut eating Union Cops.
2EZ
this is that point where YES POLICE OFFICER PROCEDURES are limited, because they represent the GOVERNMENTS which has to follow the constitution and bill of rights.
The mininum would have been established as soon as zimmerman OPENED HIS MOUTH. And said "nope he hasnt done anything criminal, NOPE he hasnt committed a crime, and nope I do not work for the twin lakes condo or do security for them.
Maybe you should REALLY JUST MAN OR WOMAN UP and learn something that EFFECTS YOU -- because like i have said, there is no way --- a zimmerman person does the same thing to your friends or family and YOU JUST SAY ITS OK ---
the factor that zimmerman called the police to be a witness to wanting martin stopped doesnt account for his right to do because MARTIN looks like a burglar at 7 PM AT NIGHT.
Your assumption that a cop is going to violate martins rights to be a guest on the property with a search of his person --- is not something the dumbest cop union or not would do.
Thats why the twin lakes condo association CLEARLY PUT OUT A STATEMENT that said ZIMMERMAN WAS >>>>>NOT <<<<<< working for them as a watchmen, because LEGALLY they would be held responsible for his conduct.
WHAT WITNESS, THERE are no witnesses that COMPLAINED ABOUT MARTIN or you can say would have because thats a bold face lie. Again we know this to be true because at 7 pm only zimmerman called and no one else.
And yes i can see the mature way of looking at YOURSELF and asking the same questions is hard for you too but if you did, ask your self if you lived at twin lakes
1. do i want someone following my friends or family
2. do i need someone to verify who i have at my home
3. if we dont have security why is this guy asking my friends questions or impeding there movements on the way to my house.
Again because you live at a gated community you wouldnt stand for it, and would complain to the twin lakes housing assocation -LIKE OTHERS HAVE ABOUT ZIMMERMANS CONDUCT!
A volunteer community watch captain who shot an unarmed Florida teenager to death last month had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics, a homeowner said.
George Zimmerman has not been charged in the Feb. 26 shooting of Trayvon Martin, 17, who was walking home from a convenience store in Sanford, Fla., near Orlando. Zimmerman, who patrolled the Retreat at Twin Lakes development in his own car, had been called aggressive in earlier complaints to the local police and the homeowner's association, according to a homeowner who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1340358.html
If you want to put all your eggs in one basket for this guy then do so, but you really should make sure they dont break -- this is not helping him at all>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/Nation/World/2012-07-17-ZIMMERMAN-716_ST_U.htm
I will tell why Jesse Jackson and his band of race hustlers are not in Chicago. Everyone knows that several years ago Mayor Daley told them to stay out of Chicago or he would pull Jesse Jackson and Jesse Jackson Jrs. Budweiser beer distribution rights to Soldier Field, the United Center, Wrigley and at the time the old Comiskey Park. As Paul Harvey used to say...."Now you know the rest of the story". A lot of stories in the Chicago Tribune on the very subject.
Did Jesse make you miss your cross burning? That has what to do with the Zimmerman case?
wow...Whom pulls out the race card again....typical Democrat ploy when they can't dispute the facts...
speaking of the race baiters and the Zimmerman case...it is amazing how quiet they have gotten...which is normally the case after they see that it was another incident of them crying wolf...
just saying..
Except none of what he says is true. So it makes me believe he got his information from free republic.
Zimmerman shot martin because he thought he was doing an audition to become a sanford police officer it didn't go well. i am not saying it was a real audition this is only true in Zimmermans head. Stop looking at what he said or what you think he did all that info is agenda driven look at situation of history. Think about this people if Martin was white he would have been shot. This whole situation was run by Zimmermans head