Poll: Does the Citizens United decision mean the end of democracy in America?
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Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:43 PM EDT
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No
Cable television, radio, and newspapers dominated the media until about a year ago.
Media is now dominated by Google, YouTube, FaceBook, SmartPhone apps, and other social media.
That is the world people live in that are under about 35 years of age.
Republicans thinking is obsolete and they are going to ignore this resource because there are few influential republicans under 40, and it takes time to understand that environment.
Pres. Obama is fluent in this new language.
No because Meg Whitman thought she could buy a 'civil service' job with her $170 million dollars but she got 'kicked' by Jerry Brown who only had a $4 million war chest.
We can beat the money, we have to beat the stupid...
YES !! Absolutely--YES !!
md i have to agree to a point. but i really think the american people have had enough and we will rise up as one body and stop this finally. OBAMA all the way
Exactly.
Inferior products are the ones that require more advertising.
That's why people bought Microsoft products that require virus protection not needed for Apple.
Whitman used her money to bomb KKKalifornia TV viewers with mindless advertisements so bad that we felt like we were being harassed.
More money is not always a good thing if people understand the facts.
Hey Billie - We can Only Hope !!!
Democracy ended when Kennedy was assasinated. President Obama is the first people President we have had since and it isn't appreciated by the money interests. The only thing that is going to end this is a revolt. Hell those electronic voting machines are rigged. How could Walker have won in Wisconsin,really? How can 1% become a majority vote? Are we really this stupid or are they putting something in our water?
Since the Supreme Court doubled down on Citizens United, meaning the states lose their options, I say yes, it is the end of Democracy.
Plus, as long as this court sits, it won't be repealed. From now on elections will be bought by millionaires, billionaires and corporations.
As long as the last ruling holds, that will be the future.
The average person is actually pretty stupid.
Popular news story:
Check this out -> there was no economic collapse in Texas.
Texas encourages immigration to stimulate their economy.
3 million undocumented immigrants fled south of the border due to an ethnic cleansing event that began September 12, 2001 and ended about a week ago.
That left about 3 millions abandoned dwellings and abandoned vehicles, which collapsed the construction, real estate, and automotive industries.
There was no housing/vehicle abandonment in Texas because they don't kick out undocumented immigrants.
Our economic collapse was actually caused by politicians that kicked out Mexicans to "save jobs for Americans".
KKKalifornia outlawed immigrant drivers licences, steals cars from unlicensed immigrants, deports the drivers, then sells the "abandoned" vehicles.
Police actually collapsed KKKalifornia real estate values by 50%.
Pretty stupid when you think about it.
G.O.P. politicians feed on stupid people like vampires.
No, they are broke after just a few years of the Governator.
Absolutely, Dark Money & Alec suppress voters across America. What happen to your voice and your vote? By the way, Republican also suppress young voters, let pump them up this Nov.
Republican try to steal the election before voting this Nov. See it on Martin Barshir and Hardball show.
Everybody with even half a brain knows Arnold Schwarzenegger collapsed the KKKalifornia economy.
A republican white supremacist collapsed the KKKalifornia economy - not liberals.
The G.O.P. seems to be emitting some kind of brain fog that makes people stupid.
Crackheads, the dumbing down of America seems to be working. Now 1% of those polled thought Obama was a Mormon! Now that's confusion!
Many of the Miss USA contestants thought it was so funny that they couldn't name the vice president. These gals went to college! Very few people I randomly speak to know what Bain Capital even IS!
Of course the negative ads work. And the GOP knows it quite well.
Does that mean that 1% think Willard is a Muslim?
I wish it went that way! 26% think Obama is a Muslim. Many think he is a communist!
It's troubling, to say the least, XXXOOO. People aren't THINKING straight!
I sure hope our president can win! It may be a bigger disaster than anyone knows!
There is a video on you tube called "The god makers". It is about what mormons believe. Their beliefs are very uh unusual and scary.
There is a part 2 that is even scarier, AND you get to see the magic underwear! And
"The white horse prophecy, that people think Romney is going to be the one to take revenge on all non-Mormons. I declare that no one who sees this will ever vote for Romney.
What's it called what channel?
You guys on the right are so short sighted. Tell you what; read a few books on a country that went exactly the way we are going. They were called the Soviet Union. They were an Oligarchy, no matter how many people called them socialist. They fell apart from the weight of their own corruption, and the wasteland of polluted soil that was left behind can't even support their population.
I know you won't belive me. Just remember that I told you so when it happens.
the Cav..: Only its called a Corprotocray. And this monster wants to get rid of our government and to hell with the Constitution and the Federal Reserve.
NO It means its time to begin a democracy!
agree....rich have always been in politics always will. as far back as govs been around.
the question really is....are you/us going exercise your vote to keep democracy in America? they can't buy that unless you want them to.....
I believe in Americans and there will to be free.............
True.
Has anyone else noticed Mr. & Mrs. Obama adds on web pages?
Smart way to spend money.
yes, i have and i think there great
i really think in my heart that the AMERICAN PEOPLE will rise up as one and take back our country. everyday these bigoted hate mongers put out more stupid things, and the way social media is taking off more and more people are seeing this with their own eyes. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!
The Roberts Court may think they're Supreme,
But their activism's really extreme.
With Citizens United,
They've left the land blighted,
'Cause they've sold the American Dream!
This proves now that Citizens United
Will leave all America blighted...
This political schism
Will lead to Fascism,
Which will make all our civil rights slighted...
Yes i have to. Romney pops up everywhere on face book wanting cash!
Especially your retirement savings.
David,As usual you are right on target. Thease extreme people, that we keep hear names, now Guy named Harold Hamn is now pledging MILLION Dollars to Willard and asking hime to drill, drill drill. He is a oild rich millionaire and wants even more. What do you think Willard will do for him to pay back for his MILLION DOLLAR contribution? As I have always said" God help us if Willard gets in".
David , great as you always are. I think we are at the cusp of Fascism for sure . Some of the most powerful men are pouring billions of dollars to get there own government. Oil will destroy this nation in more ways than one. If they win we better get our black arm bands ready because democracy will be dead! I was posting on FB today about the wall Between us and Mexico. I told them how it reminded me of the Berlin Wall. One day will this wall keep people out or will it be used to keep us in? Someone in the South made the remark of putting gays behind barbwire. We are in major trouble right here in our own sand box.
CW , you sure hit the nail on the head! Romney made a killing out of it any way they could rip of people they did it. He is a liar and a thief and if he is given the reins to this country he will do this this country like he did with Bain but on steroids. He shall come with a smile! I do not trust him!
The unions give the working people voice
When those who'd keep them silent, keep them down,
Have the money, have the power, have the choice
To give the governors means to push them around.
With Super-pacs to hide how much they're giving,
They have no reins to keep their wealth at bay.
They have the means to keep us all from living
With government that listens to what we say.
We have to battle back with those who'd fight
Those men who want to rule with iron fist.
They'd buy our government and steal our right
To choose our future, to struggle, to resist.
If we don't fight to keep the right to choose,
Then wealthy men will determine who will lose.
If corporatons are people then so are unions.
Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina lost in KKKalifornia after spending $hundreds$ of $millions$ because the opposition did something astonishingly simple:
Explain how many homeless people could be fed, clothed, and housed by the money that was spent on political advertising for candidates that have nothing but scorn for people unlucky enough to loose their jobs.
David, Have we as a nation climbed the mountain and now we will be crushed by the obsession of the Republican party to dominate and be in total control. If there are honest Republicans they need to separate themselves from the radicals now. I get so sick of there arrogance .
Louis David, Exlent Point! So its time for Unions to go to the Supreme Court and state there case. Fight fire with fire.
The unions have no chance now that they've been largely diminished by the GOP. The corporations and billionaires have the edge now. As long as CU stands, that will continue. No hope for a representative Democracy if elections are bought by the corporations.
And, according to our right wing Supreme Court, CU will stand!
Democrats have only the vote left and they are messing with that, too, in every state they can, including mine. 700,000 in PA disenfranchised.
It's getting real dirty. They know they have a weak candidate and so are trying to level the playing field.
Hi Pam!!!!
Rachel Maddow said employment is up in Ohio you live there don't you? And didn't the draconian cuts to public employees get turned back?
Hi India!
LOL! More like digging craters in it. Dems can't get as low as the new GOP.
A good way to fight that money by the CU is to show the blight of surrounding areas of those that contribute and are members of that organization. This is to say this person contributed a million to Romeys campaign while there are 300 homeless people just a block from their home. Stuff like this will have an effect. Also, if you add up the monies poored into these campaigns and the monies spent on bailing out the banks wouldn't that money have put a big dent in the budget deficit or have helped by donating it to Social Security or to the States? So don't tell me this money isn't put out there to buy politicians for corporate interests. Wake up America!
Hi Kathe!!!! Why Foghorn????
As I have said before all the PAC money should go into a pool for ALL the candidates to ensure that its fair and even....PAC monies would be gone quicker than Willard after being asked a question.
Louis David, Yes, and they also need to drive home Romney's penchant for outsourcing jobs as governor and as head of Bain Capital. That was one of the main things Romney did, was outsource jobs to China and India, even as governor. No wonder he was 47th when his governorship was over. He hurt the middle class greatly as governor.
If that isn't bad enough, he favours Crazy Jan Brewer's egregious immigration stand in AZ!! How could any minority vote for this guy? He has no soul, no heart and no pity. I fear people like this, I don't want an out-sourcer or a pitiless man as the president. He is also a pathological liar. Is this what we really want for our country?
I sure don't. I'm not ready to go back 100 years. Obama 2012.
It means only that money will try to influence the people. What we Democrats need to do is to campaign very vigorously to overpower the money influence in bringing awareness why people should vote for President Obama and not Mitt Romney.
Democracy is the people and not money.
Romney & the billionaire white supremacists are going to spend $5/vote and loose.
Exactly. If the majority of Americans who make $5.00 an hour Waitresses, busboys, cooks. to $15.00 an hour, lower middle-class, ensure they are registered to vote and get themselves to the polls on November 6, 2012, all the billionaire money in the world, won't be able to buy our Government.
Billionaire/millionaire advertisements that wasted money during a homeless crisis backfired in KKKalifornia.
Sen, #3 How I wish that were true. I really have no faith in the system anymore. I hope I am wrong, but the American people, by and large are not paying attention at all. For example, here in Western PA, we have a lot of blue collar workers who will be really hurt by Romney's policies as well as the entire GOP's policies. Yet to a person, they will vote for an elitist, millionaire, job out-sourcing, corporate raider who first THING will throw them under the bus! He will bust their unions and take away all their safety nets.
It's true. It is so sad, but it is true. I hear it all the time. The less education they have, the more likely to vote for Romney. That's not my opinion, that's a statistic.
I so agree with you India.
I was verbally attacked by this one gal who actually got pissed when I suggested she do her research rather than blaming Obama for what Boehner and his cronies were doing. she said I was "disrepecting her. and all I said was for her to do her homework. Nothing more.
I guess that's what happens when a person tries to reason with a redneck from Idaho.
@ India 3.4 & all : I agree with you. In my opinion during campaigning President Obama should clearly tell American Citizens what Romney policy will hurt them and how. When people will hear how Romney is going to hurt them then they will start to change their minds and vote for President Obama. We are seeing that in Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio where President Obama has a good lead.
Sen., Tink, Tell them to go to UTube and watch The God Makers before they decide to vote for Mitt. If they are Christians they may think twice. As a Catholic, I don't believe I'd vote for him even if I agreed with his policies.
Of course, I disagree vehemently with all his policies, so it's easy for me. I think his policies will destroy the country. Nothing less than that. I also think he's a very strange man, so disconnected from people in a basic way that others are not.
I hope not. If we can get Obama, the House and Senate, maybe we can get it reversed. I hate to think what will happen if we can't.
The only way to get Republicans and Democrats to work together is to elect an Independent President for then they will both team up to destroy the Independent. Case in point the Jesse Ventura governorship.
MJB, It's not going to be reversed; not for years. I don't have any good news.
MJB, It takes all the states to do it, and the GOP southern and mid-western states with GOP governors will never vote to repeal it. It keeps them in money and in power. They love CU. Fox loves CU. Romney and Ryan and Rove and the Koch brothers love CU.
Most of all the Supremely right Supreme Court likes CU, so much so that they doubled down on it in their Montana decision!
Domestic enemies....domestic enemies...foreign and domestic enemies. Why was it stated to include BOTH. Someone had good foresight!
Say Romney wins, there will be yet another ultra rightie on the court. Forget Democracy. We don't have it now and we won't be getting it bar a miracle.
MJB, It does not bear thinking about. I read In The Garden Of Beasts, by Eric Larson. The parallels between the rise of the Nazi party and the rise of the T-party GOP are remarkably and frighteningly similar.
People say it can't happen here, but I'll tell you this: That was just what the Germans believed, too. They believed Hitler would bring them jobs and prosperity. Very few caught on. Some did, but most did not.
Most never saw him coming. Evil is like that.
The road to Hell has no signposts pointing the way. Suddenly, you are simply there. Hitler seemed to know that about people. They never saw it coming.
Cheney should have a group hunting trip!
Sad
Willard if elected would open the way for more mannequins to serve in public office.
None of Ann Romney's children are sure that Willard's their father because he won't answer the question are you my daddy?
Romney's decision about how to accumulate wealth involves examining companies to see if their retirement pension savings account has more money in it than the cost of purchasing the company.
If so, Romney buys the company and empties out the retirement savings account into his pockets and puts the retirees on social security.
That means he is actually stole his wealth from the social security trust fund.
What are voters going to do when that information becomes public?
And those are kinds of people he would install as the head of every federal agency.
He will rob the country blind, wreck the economy, and declare martial law to suspend democracy by creating some fake national emergency like Nixon, Reagan, Bush #1, and Bush #2.
Klem:but true!
jajajajaajajajaj I am sorry xxx ooo that post is too damn funny jajjajjaja
Again sad.
Keith Klem... Keith Klem... I know I've heard that name before...
Oh, yeah...
Keith Klem thinks he's King of this Board,
Thinking all of his enemies will be gored.
I think all of his words
Are just feed for the birds,
Because, Keith, I have your comments 'ignored'...
Yeah right. Have a nice day
No. Citizens United doesn't mean the end of Democracy but it will if we don't win In November and defeat the Republicans. Here's the point we have only one shot of winning this election that's it one shot we must defeat the Republicans if not then America as we know it will die that's the truth Citizens United will destory our 'democracy if we don't overturn it. wake up people our lifes our on the line in November this is it its live or die
Steve, I don't see a way to overturn it for years to come. It is not easy to do that and the GOP states will never do it. The South will never do it.
It would mean an end to democracy if the people don't act to vote against those candidates who were paid off.
The vote will only work if we go back to paper ballots and have more trustworthy people counting them. The voting machines are made by a corporation that supports the GOP.
Not completely dead but on life support. CU needs to be reversed. However, there's alot of buying and selling of votes that needs to be heavily regulated or done away with. Lobbyists, insider info., etc. The playing field, (if we are to believe the President that we can get to a point where everyone has a chance), will have to be much less of an uphill battle for the average American.
If the GOP reigns in November, then yes. Absolutely.
Those who worship money as their god will soon realize that they are chasing the golden calf and will fail as the 99% learn to flex their political muscle. Right is right, and the GOP has no desire to do the right thing.
No. It might be the intent of The Supreme Court 5 ruling upholding Citizens United but we're too smart to let it happen.
(Reuters) - The U.S. military celebrated gay pride month at the Pentagon for the first time on Tuesday, with officials praising the services for smoothly adapting to a law that permits homosexuals to serve openly in the armed forces.
To celebrate the day the US Army ordered that the uniform of the day be changed from olive drab to a nice but not overly ostentatious chartreuse.
The citizens united decision is a huge threat to to American democracy.
Very good question tonight. Many in this nation maybe divided but when it comes to the obscene amounts of cash being spent we are united to get it out of politics! I think Montana was the last of 50 states to be strong armed by citizens united to fold. Tells you what pocket the supreme court is in! When money wins we loose. Democracy is going by the way of the Dinosaurs and we are the last to see it go!
I don't believe it is the end of democracy, but it is making it harder, which in turn, should make us more determined to fight.
Citizens United is taking the country back to the 18th century. Along with the GOP(Republicans). There will be slaves of all races. plantations will be functional again.
Citizens United is taking this country back to the 18th century. Along with the Gop(Republicans in office). There will be slaves of all races, and plantations will be functional again.
This is just one more example of how criminals are trying to take over the United States. The SCOTUS is supposed to Stop corruption; Not promote it.
SCOTUS has the best judges money can buy.
C.A. and we may all pay out the a$$ because of them.
OHIO S. I wonder where the rich get all those horse heads from?
I voted yes but I sure hope not. I hope we will be able to go beyond collectively. Why should we accept what the Supreme Court say. They are just men and apparently very biased toward what is not right.
@Ohio Skinny: You are right And SCOTUS is promoting corruption and they are getting paid by us to judge. Profit is what the GOP government is putting at the highest priority.
“When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.” Shirley Chisholm
Money didn't work in KKKalifornia.
The queens of HP and Ebay wasted $hundreds$ of $millions$ and lost.
People won't vote for a candidate that needs to tie a pork chop around their neck just to get the dog to play with them.
Hi afrommi!
Money works in areas where needed. We can't forget that hate and ignorance works extremely well.
What is winning elections too are districts where *hate* abounds. Hatred for America and the People who live in it will win elections as we see the goals in the Dominionist movement and the separatist militias. We will be devoured from within by hate.
Volunteers are critical to win an election.....a lot of them!! Ignorance is not bliss when the wrong man gets into office.
Hi CA!
You're correct. Money didn't work in CA. Hate does though and education from the ignorant produces ignorance.
ELECTION: Kreep says right-wing views won't affect rulings as judge
Winning candidate has challenged Obama's birthplace, legitimacy
http://www.nctimes.com/article_d76a6e27-3d66-530a-83e5-26c3eddd9750.html
What kind of shape would we be in if we took the trolls' word as gospel?
Hatred makes people stupid.
The republican party seems to be stuck in some kind of loop where lies dominate the political message because hatred is making people unable to think rationally.
Crackhead Awards, Judging from the number of people who see our president as a Muslim communist and our legislators (Democrat, of course) as communists, I'd say their hateful messages are making a lot of people very irrational!
Seems a lot of people are irrational these days. Too many for my taste. (and the will vote!)
Bakken flaring off natural gas at record levels! CLICK ON LINK FOR GRAPH
Although it might appear that we have solved the problem of flaring off natural gas that was regarded as such a primitive waste in previous decades, in fact the same thing is still going on in the Bakken Shale of North Dakota.
The above graph shows the percentage of gas that is being flared off and how it has opened such an extraordinary gap between the gas that is brought out of the ground and what ends up in the pipelines. The blue line is production in thousands of cubic meters (mcm). The green line below it is the amount of gas that is actually put into sales. The scale for both is at the left. The yellow line is the percentage of gas that is being flared off instead of being put into pipelines. The flaring figure hovered around 10 percent during the early years of development of the Bakken but rose to 40 percent in 2009 and has since climbed back up to that peak in 2012. Thus almost half the gas in the Bakken is being flared off. The reason is that the infrastructure has not yet been built to connect it to consumers or to store it back in the ground, as is being done in Alaska and other mature fields. Flaring gas, of course, is a huge waste, both in terms of lost resources and in putting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
The numbers are prepared by the International Energy Agency in its report, “Golden Rules for the Golden Age of Gas.” IEA argues that we are indeed entering a golden age of gas but that these resources should be developed in a systematic fashion so that gas is not lost to waste. IEA argues that fields should not be developed until the infrastructure is in place to make sure the gas can either be stored or delivered to customers.
What are they doing. This is so sad that our freedoms are being bought from us, by a few who are well to do, and have nothing else to do for their money. Please
Guess who is an 'oil baroness'? After reading this though I think I am being ripped off.
XXX OOO, very good post. I came across one on FB that really made you think. It had some of gas land in it. But they made the argument that many had not thought about. Old fracking wells and the cement breaking down and contamination. The steel even breaks down with age. There are so many things that can go wrong with this and there is noway they can say truthfully its safe. They are pumping millions of gallons of water from river here ad we have not had rain we are 3 inches down now. On Friday we will see 100 degrees her for Ohio that's HOT! Water will be in short supply in the future! Did you here that. VOTER SUPPRESSION VERIFIED! Ed is on fire tonight and i am glad MS NBC gets the truth out.
Link for above... Click for graph
http://www.realclearenergy.org/charticles/2012/06/04/bakken_gas_continues_to_be_wasted.html
Your link does not show up. You may have to type it.
Well, I can tell they have given up a pristine environment for a polluted one which in turn harms people. Their priority lies on Greed. Money first people never. Their profit is first no matter who they hurt or what. Prosperity is good. But not at any cost. It is better to postpone profit until there is a way in which to utilize those natural resources without harming the environment. The profit will still be made.
The Bakken has been pretty much a black hole for info coming out of it. I have written the President about this massive waste and have heard nothing back..Many times..15% of flaring is allowed because of safety, but you can see its way past that! The oil companies are asking for permits faster than the state can produce them. Im quite sure the ground water will be forever ruined and then the Native Americans can have it back once the oil is gone. And hell the oil companies don't give a rats ass about the natural gas because its not making much profit so if the burn(flare) it off there will be a shortage and prices will go up. In Pennsylvania one of the oldest & largest gas drillers has been over investing and sounds to me like its gonna pull a Bain Capital by declaring bankruptcy and then a buyout and shut them down to do many things Steal pensions and and by doing so will also cause a natural gas shortage.....I asked the President to take the government oil subsidies and invest them in capture this finite natural gas. Dam fncking Teapublicans!
Better information will become available after government inspectors and geologists make better reports.
The Sierra Club is one of the better sources.
Oil and gas are not pure when they come out of the ground.
Crude oil is often contaminated with gas, like propane, ethane, butane, and pentane. These can cause oil to foam like soda pop, which can build up pressure in storage tanks.
Natural gas is often contaminated with ethane, butane, pentane, and hexane that can liquify and plug pipelines and valves.
Contaminants are often flared near the production site if there is no economical way to recover them for commercial sale.
These are separated at cracking facilities that separate chemicals (giant stills).
Interesting C.A. But if they where to frack less of an area underground the pressure would be less, but that would slowdown the cash cow OIL!
Allot of the oil coming from the Bakken is of high quality and needs much less in processing.
Question
What is the API gravity of Bakken crude oil? Explain its relative quality.
Answer
Bakken crude oil gravity ranges from 36 to 44 degrees API. The quality of this oil is excellent, almost identical to WTI. The benchmark crude oil is West Texas Intermediate, which is 40 degrees API sweet crude. It is the benchmark because it requires the least amount of processing in a modern refinery to make the most valuable products, unleaded gasoline and diesel fuel.
http://www.ndoil.org/?id=78&offset=5&advancedmode=1&category=Bakken%20Basics
The Iran crisis created a need to increase global oil and gas production.
You will probably not find out much about what is happening until after the Iran crisis is resolved.
It might be necessary to submit FOIA to BOEMER to obtain information which would otherwise be public.
Gas flares on production wells means that the drilling or development companies made mistakes interpreting the geological maps.
Complicated to explain.
The center of the US was a large sea millions of years ago. "Marine snow" is organic material created by plankton that falls to the bottom of the ocean (about half an inch every 100 years). This is buried under nonporous rock that has been folded into shapes like upside down bowls, like lava or salt (anticline). Heat cooks the marine snow, and that produces oil and gas. The oil and gas flow upward until it collects under nonporous rock pockets. Gas rises to the top. Oil collects under that.
Drillers use geological maps to locate the top of the anticline and the fluids (oil and water).
Drillers have to stop if they hit the gas at the top of the pocket.
Oil is only produced by drilling in a ring around the gas pocket, or by drilling from the side.
The oil is "developed" by putting explosives in the hole, covering the explosives with fluid, then detonating the explosives (shooting the well). This fractures the rock and allows oil to flow into the hole.
The developer sometimes makes a mistake and the fracture extends into the gas zone. The gas has to be flared to produce the oil until gas recovery equipment can be installed near the production well.
Oh no they are sinking the land masses by relieving the gas and replacing it with heaver water! Atlantis!!!!
Oil companies are a mistake just waiting to happen. We really do need a Public Oil Company so all these things can be found out what the real truth is...and get someone who you can trust to come up with the real answers.