Florida governor Rick Scott is leading the effort to get as many as 180,000 potentially-ineligible voters off the rolls.
Florida's suing the Obama administration to get access to a federal data base. The Justice Department and civil rights groups are suing back, trying to halt the purge.
Rolling Stone contributor Ari Berman joined Michael Eric Dyson last night to discuss the voter purge efforts in Florida and beyond.
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Ha Haaaa - Do Stones or Rocks have Feelings Or Understand Others Feelings or RIGHTS - Especially from a Non-Existent Voting Threat ??? Hmmmmmm ??? .00005 % of 1.0 % -- Just Where Is The Voting Threat ????? OUR American VETS and OUR American People Have The Right To Vote !! Why are They Obstructing This Constitution Right ??? The Only Reason CAN BE - Is To Stack The Deck In Their Favor - NO Other Reason !!!! PERIOD !!!
what did Bush win by? man.....180,000....now that's paranoid to the extreme by the right. oh yea.....they is extreme.....and.....paranoid.
180,000? they got that many teapubs in Florida or are the republicans starting to wake up????????????
Actually, the difference in Florida was only 537 votes.
just saying..
Hopefully more will see this right wing anti-voting agenda for what it is. Voter suppression by the GOP exposed. Liars abound in the GOP of bullies and thugs. Anti-American policies against all we are pushed by the GOP barfing in Congress and barfing on Fox against Americans not wealthy.
Every LEGAL citizen in the US has a right to vote. Every LEGAL citizen should have their right to vote protected by our local, state and federal authorities. Anyone on a voter list that does not meet the legal requirement to be a voter, should be removed at any point when there is sufficient evidence to prove that they do not meet the criteria.
just saying..
Just saying to storm means" you all know I'm lying through my teeth but thats because I am a special rude crude no nothing dude".
Feel this, Scottie.
This has nothing to do with voting. But you can bet your butt there is gonna be a run to the USA to vote for Obama by those who moved back to Mexico because they lost their jobs due to GWB. And they are registered voters!
Petition/FOX NEWS(FAKE)
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This goofy looking character is a right wing dictator and these people need to sue him personally for infringing upon their citizen rights as legal US citizens. People such as Scott are no better than the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and other extremist groups that our young us citizen soldiers have been fighting and dying for. Unfortunatley Bussards like Scott are the one's they are dying for as well. Floridians are crazy for allowing this to happen. I see Scott boy must be funded by the KOCH HEAD Bros!
SCOTTand his likes are the face of "ONAAMTOH" - OPERATION NEVER AGAIN ALLOW MINORITY TO OCCUPY WHITEHOUSE.
Since 2008 sections of America have been in denial and senseless anger.
They launched ONAAMTOWH (Operation Never Again Allow Minority To Occupy White House.)
to get over their trauma.
The press and politicians alike are afraid to call this section by their proper name.
They call themselves Teavangelists and claim to love America; and want to take back their country
What country Europe? have they forgotten where they came from, what about the American indians?
These people want to detroy America the most blessed and the greatest country in the world
because they hate a president of mixed race. Therfore they are using all within their power
to bring down the government regardless of the cost and blame it on the President.
The greatest commandment our Lord Jesus gave to Christians is " LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF".
WHAT YOU ARE DISPLAYING IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. Where is your other cheek?
Let me leave you with the following African parables:
"No matter how ugly the baboon is, he's married to the monkey's sister".
"The family tree may bend, but it never breaks".
May common sense prevail
Long Live the United States of America
No surprise Rick Scott's administration doesn't believe they have to follow federal law, now he's just trying to woo the small number of people in florida who don't hate him....most unpopular governor in the country.
Fact is the country supervisers oversee the handling of things like this, they access the rolls which belong in this case to the federal government. The fed has possession not the state. Scott should have got his act together and done thison time, why they couldn't have done that no one knows....they don't need this federal database if that were the case how would they be doing it now? Whether it would make it easier or not is irrelavent, it is possible so they should have dealt with it and put adequate man power behind it. They should have been competent enough to get this done right.
Funny since this whole thing is about the massive, overwhelming voter fraud which is a staggering, horrify total of about 50...gasp...you're more likely to get attacked by a shark
So Scott will deflect the blame for how they choose to handle this which this is because they couldn't get it done on time is not legit. It's like Chris Christie blaming the federal government that NJ didn't get that special education grant money because they didn't complete the enitre application. For the republican tea party governor when all else fails blame the fed.
Trip and fall, it's the government
Forget your wallet, blame the federal government
Sneeze, it's obama's fault
stub your toe, obama's behind it
I AM PUZZLED. THE STATE OF FLORIDA ALREADY HAS ACCESS TO SAVE(Homeland Security Website) . THE Department Of Children & Familes In FLORIDA uses this WEbsite (SAVE) everday THATS HOW THEY CHECK TO SEE IF A PERSON IS A LEGAL RESIDENT OR A NATURALIZED CITIZEN. This helps to determine if clients are eliguble for benefits. What if Govern11or Scott Talking about?
The governor is trying to blame the federal government for his inability to file his paper work on time. The state claims not to have access to it, and although apparently you think differently...might be true might not....because it is none the less irrelavent. We know FL has done purges before, reality and even the tea party right have admitted this. So if the state has never once had access for the SAVE database clearly they do not need it to complete a purge....unless the previous purges were invalid.......So if Florida needs this list then why are they trying to do the purge anyway?
It's clear this administration is not committed to doing this right and has fumbled this to massive proportions. This like Chris Christie attack the fed for not giving NJ grant money for education because Christie's people never completed the application....so they didn't finish it so naturally it's the fed's fault.
When all else fails for the tea party blame it on obama or the federal government and the tea party anarchists will believe it.
And by the way using the database to check the names that Scott claims he wanted to check would have likely cost the state over 200k......so divide that by around only 50 cases of fraud and you've got a lot of wasted money from an administration claiming they must only ever cut spending.
Considering that the 2000 election was decided by only 537 votes in Florida(and New Mexico was decided by even less than that I believe), there is enough evidence to warrant a purge in order to protect both sides, as well as protect ALL Americans.
If Florida is within the 90 day window, then it is too late to do anything for the primary, but why would they not be able to purge for the general election? Is there a law that says if you get to vote in one, you automatically get to vote in the other?
If the DHS was negligent in not providing access to the SAVE database as they should have, then there needs to be an investigation into whether political influence had anything to do with it. If there was, then appropriate legal action should take place.
Does anyone now when the SAVE database was created?
just saying...
Not to mention that under Florida's constitution voter purges are only allowed on odd numbered years so Scott is also breaking Florida laws because 2012 is an even number year.
I don't know that for sure but I wouldn't be surprised.
Well all thats all well good but that doesn't mean they can do it illegally. Chuckle
Speaking of 2000 weren't there also over a thousand citizens who were purged and couldn't vote? This is what I've heard
You can't pick and choose. This purge was not compliant with the deadline on federal election and had it happend would have purged voters for the primary....so maybe if they had waited to after the primary, they didn't.
You know the idea is that if you can vote in one legally shouldn't you legally also be able to vote in the other? 'cuz either you have the right to vote or you don't.........
Perhaps however using that database clearly was not necessary and would have cost florida hundreds of thousands in fees so that likely also is a factor. Still doesn't make his action legal, and legal consequences will no doubt follow if he intends to violate federal law as the governor intends to do. This purge is without a doubt not compliant with the law ie illegal.
Your logic is completely flawed. Using your logic, a person who votes in the primary and then is convicted of a felony before the general election would still be allowed to vote.
Try to at least come up with another lie that is not completely laughable...
just saying..
Laugh all you like half wit that's the law. This is not "my logic" or opinion it is reality, this is that law's "logic" so unless you have some argument as to why this law doesn't exist then........it stands. If you are not a citizen you can't allow them to vote in the primary whether they do in fact vote or not thus they have no right to vote in the general. Your logic is that governors don't have to get things done on time.
You seem to willfully deny that the purge was before the election and those people many of them citizens who may not have responded would not have been able to vote in the primary in the first place. By your logic you don't have to respect the 90 day and can kick people off whenever for whatever.
And in fact felons are not universely barred from federal elections......felons in fl could vote during crist's tenure so clear that means you're foolishly trying not only to produce a red herring but also to try to convince us that somehow anything you say is legit.
With hundreds of citizens willfully placed at risk of being purged.....felonies have nothing to with it unless all these citizens at risk are felons. If this purge would have gone through there would certainly have taken voting rights illegally from legal voters.
You can't purge 90 days before a federal election, that's the law and until it changes this action by gov. voldemort is still illegal. Don't like that change it.
Explain what law gives fl the authority to negate federal law? You really still don't get it clearly.........none of these people would have been allowed to vote in the primary. So legally justify how Fl has the right to violate the 90 day rule......and how if you received a letter and did not respond yet were legal citizens that it would be okay to take their rights to vote
This pathetic case you're trying to make up not only shows that you know you're totally beat intellectually on this because you know it wasn't legal. But back to your desperate baloney......citizens have the right to vote, felons or not illegals do not. If you commit a felony even in your argument later then you have your voting right taken away because that is the particular law you are having the right taken from you. Illegals do not have this right in the place and thus it can not be legally taken away from them....they can't take something that they don't actually have
so if you're so confident lay out the legal case for your argument. You will NOT do this because you know you can't.
Instead of speculating show me where what I have claimed is not trye with facts....I won't hold my breath
whew...you must be smoking some really good stuff...
if I understand you correctly, based on the sentence in your 7th paragraph, your argument is that you can;t take a right away from someone who doesn't have it...is that correct? so, using your logic, what are all states supposed to do with people who are legally registered to vote, yet do not have a legal right to vote? Since they don't have the right to vote, we can't take away that right, yet they have the ability to vote.
Are the rest of the citizens in the county, state and country supposed to suffer because these people somehow gamed the system? Don;t give me the typical left BS about how the numbers don't matter, because they do. One person voting illegally in FL, or NM, or MN or any other state has the potential to change the entire direction of our country. I would almost certainly guarantee that there are people on voter rolls in every state who do not have the legal right to vote. Your opinion that they should be allowed to vote because it is within the 90 day window might be legally correct, but it is morally repugnant.
You even admit in some states that convicted felons are not allowed to vote. So, my argument is valid and correct, it is possible to take away someone's right to vote between a primary and a general election based off of actions they participate in. Your argument was that if someone can vote in the primary that they are allowed to vote in the general.
You are a perfect example of how the left is not really interested in having a fair election. You want one in which non-citizens who benefit from your nanny state entitlements are given the ability to vote for your party.
As I have said on this board many time...I am in favor of allowing every LEGAL citizen the right and the ability to vote in every election. I don;t care if they are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent, white, black, hispanic, asian, male, female, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Mormon, straight, gay, Transgendered or any other classification you want to come up with. The law might say that you can't purge the voter rolls inside 90 days and so be it. However, the idea that any American is in favor of allowing a non-citizen the right to vote in one of our elections is pathetic. And if you are one of those people who support that concept, I feel sorry for you and your lack of moral integrity. For over 200 years, men and women in our military have fought and died to protect the rights and freedoms of our citizens. It is a shame that you place no value on the blood they have shed in order to protect this rights.
just saying...
How stupid are you? How dumb? How empty is your head that you can't understand this very simple concept so I'll put this step by step for you.
Affirmative.
They are not legally registered, they have no right to register. It is not legal.
If they don't have the right than no one is taking it away from them thus it is not taking away the right to vote from someone. So no it does not conflict with the you can't take someone's voting right away concept.
No that's why a process exists to remove them.
The numbers are irrelavent to this conersation which is why I made no effort to bring them up. This is simple logic and that thing you don't quite seem to understand all that much, the law.
Nope. Once again I have no opinion just telling the legal facts as I understand them. Fact is that there is a standing federal statute that says no long term voter history changes 90 days before a federal election. That is the guideline, don't like it change it. Once again any illegals on this list voting is on Rick Scott's head since he did not get it together to stop it. No one wants them to vote but unfornately the law says they can't now, perhaps if they had been on the ball things would be different. This is no different than Chris Christie attacking the fed for not giving NJ education grant money because Christie's administration didn't even complete the application. Just like Scott the blame is on him for not following the established rules. I'm not saying they shouldn't as you like to pretend despite my consistent and constant reminder to the contrary........I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'm saying legally at this point they can't. That is the rule. You know that, why are they allowed to go outside of rules?
Is it really too much to ask that they do these things correctly? Would that be so hard? Obviously it is for the "tough on crime" GOP which is why you're fine with torture and the patriot act.
And the states that don't
Never made that claim. How does that make it legal for
Federally they don't lose their voting right, if that were true how would felons vote in other states? If you're a citizen you can vote in both the upcoming primary and general elections whether one does or does not is irrelavent. More importantly how is that factor into this case? What exactly does that change, unless these people all become felons.... You continue to lie on this issue and convalute it false accusations and distractions, you should be smart enough to understand oting in one election does not guarantee you the right to vote in another itself however if you could vote in one election then there are only a few exceptions as to why you would not be allowed to vote in the next. Once again what gives them the right to skip around the law?
Continue with your pious baloney bull@!$%# all you like you know this is about rigging an election not protecting it. Continue to think politicans care about protecting anything but themselves but america knows different. How does taking away earlier voting protect this election? You hate to hear the numbers because the level of voter fraud is determined by your imagination not statistics. Next prove these alleged illegals are not capable of voting for republicans. Prove to me that the tea party governors did not get elected with illegal votes surely if you live in reality.......well lets be honest you don't but I digress.....prove it is not possible for them to vote republicans. You won't because you have no defense since you know there is no reason they couldn't have.
As I have said on this board many time...I am in favor of allowing every LEGAL citizen the right and the ability to vote in every election. I don;t care if they are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent, white, black, hispanic, asian, male, female, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Mormon, straight, gay, Transgendered or any other classification you want to come up with. The law might say that you can't purge the voter rolls inside 90 days and so be it. However, the idea that any American is in favor of allowing a non-citizen the right to vote in one of our elections is pathetic. And if you are one of those people who support that concept, I feel sorry for you and your lack of moral integrity. For over 200 years, men and women in our military have fought and died to protect the rights and freedoms of our citizens. It is a shame that you place no value on the blood they have shed in order to protect this rights.
If democrats help millions and billions of illegals with this nanny state bull@!$%# why are all the southern border states like AZ or TX where illegals go controlled by democrats? Seems they can't be all that powerful then
Only when they vote republican otherwise you cry voter fraud
So then they should just break the law is what you're saying as I've claimed apparently correctly then....so they should just break it. Glad we got that established. Don't like the law change it but till then it's still the law.
More bull@!$%# I have made quite clear I do not want them to vote in florida I'm saying at this point there does not seem to be any legal way to prevent it now. That's what happens when you don't plan and start too late. Unless you can come up with a legal solution......then there's nothing that can be done. It's all Scott's head for not acting in time. How hard would that that have been?
Allowing the government to go outside the law is not upholding our freedoms, the law exists for a reason to protect the people from the government. So what's to stop them from just ignoring other laws in the name of necessity. Your clown car of a political party like to pretend to be libertarian yet you government does have to do things legally in all cases. If there are hoops that must be jumped through then no matter how inconvieniate they may be government must jump through them. Period.
The dumbasses that indanger our liberty are you people who think it's okay for them to pick and choose which laws they want to follow.
also my parents both met and conceieved me in the armed forces, I would not hae been born without the US army and I live across from a military base right now. There is hardly a single person I know who is not, has not, or has not had family in the miltary so save your preachy I don't care about america bull@!$%#
You are the one picking and choosing which laws to enforce, so I guess you just described yourself...
You are right about one thing....this is all about rigging an election...by the Democrats in order to continue to push their agenda. The only real question is how can you guys live with yourselves considering what you are trying to do in tearing this country apart?
Hopefully, the rest of the country is not as blind as you are in regards to the need to protect our liberties. If they are, we are doomed.
just saying..
So the government doesn't have to follow the law? You have yet to answer that question are you too dumb to understand it?
You continue to say I support illegals voting...more of your false accusation bull@!$%# because you have nothing to base your arguement. Fact is if florida wanted to do this purge they should have done it earlier, now because of scott's incompetence it's illegal.
Which laws am I picking an choosing? The illegals not voting law which I support or perhaps the federal deadlines........
So if you want to say this purge is legal than back that up with facts instead of baloney
So glad to see the right thinks when politicians they like do it that it isn't illegal. Nixon would love you if he weren't in hell right now
You have never once answered one of my very simple questions. you are a pathetic waste time.
Why is it that a lib can't have a discussion without calling names?
You are so blinded by your own hatred and racism that you have no common sense...
I pity the life you must lead having to deal with your own demons...
The Department of Justice is going to keep Florida from conducting any purges of voters. The lists have been shown to have large errors in them and election judges at the county level have refused to comply with Governor Scott's order. The federal court will hold Scott's feet to the fire because he is clearly in violation of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Florida's absurd voting purge laws are going to get struck down because they are unconstitutional. Considering the very small numbers of voter fraud Governor Scott's voter purges are simply a way of keeping voters from going to the polls who might be predisposed to voting for Democrats. This GOP ploy is not only anti-democratic but it is totally anti-American. I hope Attorney General William Holder takes more states that are trying to restrict voting rights and accessibility to federal court. It is morally the right thing to do.