I Thought that the Presidents Speech was Very Well Balanced !!!! Obama/Biden 2012

Obama needs to change his name to "Fertilizer" I mean he can really spared the chit.

Oh Look - The Escapee Has Returned ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!! Searching for a vaginal probe are You ???? just askin' !!

MD: ever notice the amount of information stupid brings to the discussion? Never anything but stupid critisism. But, what else can we expect from someone with a name like that?

Larry - Yup - I Have Noticed ---- Zero Brainwaves within that caranial Cavity !!! Echo-Echo-echo-echo !!!!!

I've had him on ignore for the last month. He doesn't bother me at all.

stup's EEG _______________________________________________________

After a summation we have concluded its common to the Tea Party types! DB

Where do you attach it? Don't you need a head?

It was a chair!!!

XXX I thought that was brain activity you were charting.

Incredible .....

OOooooww - You Must Have Found One - hey !!!!

Yes, stupid is incredible. Incredibly empty.

Welp - From her Last response - I Think She Found Something that Filled One of her Cavities - hey --- hehheheheh !!!!! OOOooooooowwwwwww !!! Stinky !!!! QWICK - TAKE - COVER !!!!

well i for one have fixed it so i don't have to see anything stupid posts, therefore i don't respond and raise my blood pressure. OH HAPPY DAY. NOW TO GET RID OF THE REPUKES AND OH HAPPY DAY AGAIN.

Billie, I think that's a good idea. I've decided to correct her spelling. It will keep me busy!

Billie, She thinks I'm incredible. Should I thank her? :)

Did anybody notice that today is flag day? Mine is out flying!

At least my husband said it was flag day!

yes,india i say keep it up and keep her her busy too. i'm glad i blocked her and the other baseless idiots

They'll drive a person crazy if you let them! Especially that one I really cannot stand! The one who can't even spell sh#$! You'd think that word would be easy for her! She's got a lot of it to throw at us on a daily basis! LOL

Notice how all the Republicans that are suggested as VPs say no? They don't want to destroy their political careers with him.

Anyone who agrees is either desperate, a fool, or suicidal.

The republicans have not asked/suggested anyone to be VP yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That would be the media....

Chris there is one who is thinking he would like the VP spot is TPaw. We can't stand him he is a real loser.

please, stupid, not that he will be the nominee, but the repubs are kissing marco rubio's ass.

I think it will be Portman from Ohio. I doubt it will be Rubio.

They certainly are pandering to get the FL vote.

They need Ohio, too, though.

Pawlenty would be great. It would get rid of him forever.

#4.6 Yeah, Who's Pawlenty? LOL

He's so forgettable....I thought he was already gone.

you seem to be confused.

Realy are you as crazy as the rest of the repukes? must be by your posts.

WOW - Scary -- hey ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!! another Escapee ??? hmmm !!

realy1, correction--you are confused.

kv6707 LOL I agree.

Homer,

great post.

the repubs in the supreme court, are legislating from the bench, something the repubs HATE, if they think a liberal will be appointed. it is always OK if repubs do what they call democrats out for, and they do this all the time.

when repubs do this they are standing on principle, when democrats "stand on principle", according to repubs, they are "digging in their heels".

this is what conservatives in the supreme court voted for. just another wing nut decision from conservatives (who HATE democrats) that favors repubs.

the american people don't want this, but too bad.

Homer, #8 I read McCullough's biography of Harry Truman and enjoyed it immensely. I must check out the one you mentioned.

I just finished reading The Passage Of Power, about the Johnson years between 1958 and 64. There was a lot of obstruction then, as well, and it was nothing short of amazing that Johnson got the Civil Rights bill passed! Indeed, miraculous would be a better word! The South was incredibly intransigent over that! You can imagine.

That's funny..You blame a Democratic House and Senate, instead of Bush..Now, you blame Obama instead of a do nothing Senate who blocks EVERYTHING, AND I MEAN EVERYTHING the President tries to do for this Country, and a Republicsan House who just wants to give tax breaks to those who don't need it, and get rid of a Constitutionally protected right for a woman to choose.. Hmmmm...

Like this?

Obama Jokes at Jobs Council: 'Shovel-Ready Was Not as Shovel-Ready as We Expected'

Just as a note of fact-in 2007, the Democrats only took control of Congress, not the senate.

Harry Reid in the Senior Senator from Nevada. He has served as the Senate Majority Leader since 2007.

But not the 60 needed.

60 needed for what???. 51 is the majority..

larry74 the dude that did 3 tours in the Nam.... lol...

Think doing three tours in Nam is funny, Stupid?

You are a very warped person.

Hi Prin** Rachel! Sent a email to Sally so you should be able to post links! You have been on since 8/2011 I think its time..You didn't post much at first like me but you have been a regular since Feb 2012 when Trayvon Martin was first made aware. I hope you get your sprout soon!

I've been on since 2010. They took my branch away. I also noticed Tom's was gone. I sometimes wonder............

Why don't you ask them? They'll probably answer.

They took my branch away.

Is there anything you won't whine about?

@juststatingitasitis

You are just stating it as it is in your opinion.

However, many if not all of your statements can be refuted by looking at real data and understanding the real sequence of events.

If you would like to have a discussion using real data and facts, let's do it. I have all night (well - the cat needs to be fed, first ...but after that, I'm available).

If you just feel the urge to spout nonsense, I'll just ignore you.

well - the cat is fed (purrr).

Please consider this a standing offer.

Don't waste your time waiting.

@TheRealChris

You got that right!!!

Ready when ever you are

and Once again you and the Real Chris got it WRONG!!

Point out the inaccuracies

On January 3, 2007, the day the Democrats took control of both house of Congress, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 12,621. The unemployment rate on January 3, 2007 was 4.6%. The gross domestic product, the economic output for the previous quarter was 3.5%. The economy had just set a record of 52 straight months of job creation or 52 straight months of new jobs every month in the 52 months prior to January 2007. Twenty six million American were on food stamps on January 3, 2007.

That number has doubled now. The Social Security Program took in something in the neighborhood of $100 billion more than it paid out in 2007. The national debt was approaching $9 trillion. The Dow is about the same but, that's just recently. For most of the past few years the Dow was way down and people were in panic over it. The unemployment rate in January 2007 was 4.6%. Today it is at least 8.3% and above. GDP in January 2007 was 3.5%. Now it's 1.8%.

Now we're into 3 straight years of job losses since Obama took office. Social Security is now spending more than it takes in and the national debt is approaching $17 trillion. It was $9 trillion in January 2007. And 4 out of the last 5 years Democrats have had the majorities in the legislative and executive branches of government. There is no intellectual case that can be made that the Republicans are the reason for all this spending and continued economic collapse. Not one Republican policy has been implemented. Social Security for the first time ever is spending more than it is taking in. We already have a $16 trillion dollar national debt. GDP is 1.5% an falling. Our debt is rising. There's no way and not mathematically possible true or accurate to say this decline has anything to do with conservative or Republicans. They haven't had enough power and they haven't had the ability to stop any of this even if they wanted to do so

Oh Hello - I was worried that we would not have this opportunity!!

Give me a minute - let's start with the first paragraph...

"On January 3, 2007, the day the Democrats took control of both house of Congress..."

Dem Majority in House, Senate was 49/49 with 2 independents including Bernie Sanders who caucuses with Dems so this gave majority to Dems by the narrowest of margins. So technically true.

"... the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 12,621. The unemployment rate on January 3, 2007 was 4.6%. The gross domestic product, the economic output for the previous quarter was 3.5%. The economy had just set a record of 52 straight months of job creation or 52 straight months of new jobs every month in the 52 months prior to January 2007. Twenty six million American were on food stamps on January 3, 2007."

You forgot to mention that the deficit in 2007 was the lowest it had been since 2002 - at $-342.2 Billion

Keep in mind that revenue was dramatically increasing - the graph looks like a bubble.

The other thing to remember is that the recession started in 2007.

I'll post this and look up when the GDP started to drop.

Meanwhile here is the link to the Federal Budget data:

Link to budget data

"www.cbo.gov/publication/42911"

"money.cnn.com/2008/12/01/news/economy/recession/index.htm"

Recession started in December 2007

1) the link is not appearing

2) O.K. Let's agree to Change the wordage from Control to Majority

"“For more than three years, President Obama has said it was his responsibility to get our economy back on track. Now that he’s been unable to deliver on that promise, he’s trying to hit the reset button and claim Americans are ‘doing fine.’

"President Obama, In February 2009: “If I Don’t Have This Done In Three Years, Then There’s Going To Be A One-Term Proposition.” OBAMA: “That's exactly right. And — and, you know, a year from now I think people — are going to see that — we're starting to make some progress. But there's still going to be some pain out there. If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition.” (NBC’s “The Today Show,” 2/2/09)

President Obama, On Taking Responsibility For The Economy In 2009: “That’s Fine. Give It To Me.” OBAMA: “Now, my administration has a job to do, as well, and that job is to get this economy back on its feet. That's my job. And it's a job I gladly accept. I love these folks who helped get us in this mess and then suddenly say, well, this is Obama's economy. That's fine. Give it to me. My job is to solve problems, not to stand on the sidelines and harp and gripe.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Warren, MI, 7/14/09)

Any Comments are these goodies????

maphi, A cat lover!!! Yes! Democrats love their cats!

And a good post, as well.

Those GDP Numbers don't look right.

Check out this site:

"#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_kd_zg&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:USA&ifdim=region&tstart=-269812800000&tend=1276488000000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false"

3.59 % in 2004

3.06% in 2005

1.94% in 2007

-0.02% in 2008

-3.5% in 2009

+3.0% in 2010

Yup problems inserting links.

I put quotes around the links to get them inserted.

Where did you get your GDP numbers from?

Year Revenue Outlays

2007 2,568.0 2,728.7

2008 2,524.0 2,982.5

2009 2,105.0 3,517.7

2010 2,162.7 3,456.2

2011 2,302.5 3,598.1

Please note how the revenues dipped in 2008.

The dropped in 2009, stayed low in 2010 and then ticked up in 2011.

Also note the tick up in Outlays in 2008, bit increase in 2010 and tick up in 2011.

The increase in Outlays were in Defense, and across the board increase in all categories continuing trend of last few years. Big increase was in "Income Security":

Includes unemployment compensation, Supplemental Security Income, the refundable portion of the earned income and child tax credits, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, family support, child nutrition, and foster care.

Second paragraph:

"GDP in January 2007 was 3.5%. Now it's 1.8%."

We have a disagreement about the GDP figures. But what is missing from this statement is what happened in between. That's like saying that the North Rim of the Grand Canyon is higher than the South Rim of the Grand Canyon, but ignoring the dramatic "dip" in between.

Same thing with unemployment - yes 8% is higher than 4% but it was over 10% before things started to recover.

"Now we're into 3 straight years of job losses since Obama took office."

Employment hit bottom in January 2010. Since then there has been job increases. Slow - not enough. This includes private and government jobs.

If you are talking about only government (federal, state, local), you may be correct.

The Real Number

Don't you agree is the U6 Unemployment Number?

U6 — April 2012

14.5%

Source: Labor Dept.

maphi

The unemployment is at 8.2% after the 1 TRILLION job stimulus!

15 Million More Americans on Food Stamps

6.3 Million Americans more in Poverty

Can you really state that President Obama with his results over the last 4 years regarding the Economy really has proved that he is deserving of another term?

#12.16 Yawn..................................

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SS India

I was conversing with Maphi

I know you are a HUGH President Obama supporter and never like to acknowledge anything Negative At All Regarding his last 4 years

(This is feeling a bit one-sided)

Time for some history:

In previous recessions, the President and Congress worked together to do what was necessary. One of the important things that was done was to maintain or increase government spending. The rationale was that when the private sector was struggling, government spending had to support the economy and - yes stimulate growth - until the private sector recovered.

The President could - for the most part - call the shots and get his policies implemented. And everyone Democrats and Republicans basically agreed on the essentials including infrastructure spending. So - for better or worse - the state of the economy was the result of his policies.

This same cooperation simply has not been present for President Obama.

Do I need to list the number of bills that the Republicans have filibustered?

Do we need to talk about the Debt ceiling debacle last summer?

This same cooperation simply has not been present for President Obama.

I agree but we might Disagree on the reasons why

Do I need to list the number of bills that the Republicans have filibustered?

I agree but we might Disagree on the reasons why

Do we need to talk about the Debt ceiling debacle last summer?sorry to repeat myself but

I agree but we might Disagree on the reasons why

I think anyone else who wants to chime in is welcome.

I agree that the official unemployment number may not be the "real" number, which is probably higher. The problem is figuring out how to calculate something that is very complex.

There are the un-employed that are actively looking (relatively easy to count.

Then there are those who have given up.

Do you count those who aren't looking because they have gone back to school?

Do you count those who have decided to stay home and take care of the kids and rely just on the spouse income?

what about those who are part-time or under-employed.

DO you pick one, recognize the limitations, and go with it as a bench mark.

U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force

NOTE: Persons marginally attached to the labor force are those who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the past 12 months. Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, have given a job-market related reason for not currently looking for work. Persons employed part time for economic reasons are those who want and are available for full-time work but have had to settle for a part-time schedule. Updated population controls are introduced annually with the release of January data.

Again as of may 2012

14.3%!!!!

Maphi

What made President Reagan and President Clinton GREAT as well as SUCCESSFUL Presidents was the ability with President Reagan-Tip O Neill and President Clinton- Newt Gingerich to successfully reach over to the side and come to a COMPROMISE that was BEST for the Country

That has not occurred during the President Obama term

I actually have been critical of President Obama. I am fairly liberal (communitarian individualist). I and others have been frustrated at the degree to which he was willing to compromise with the Republicans.

I was not happy when the public option was dropped from the Health Care reform legislation, for instance.

Did he "cooperate" by giving in to every demand by the Republicans? No.

That is not what cooperate and compromise is all about.

If the legislation that the Democrats were proposing was wildly liberal, then I would agree with you that the Republicans had a good reason to filibuster.

But the legislation was, in my opinion, too moderate! And in some cases was put forward and supported by Republicans, until the Dems and President supported it to, then they did an complete 180! It was actually quite amazing to watch.

Maphi

You are one of the rare individuals on this site

1) You are reasonable

2) you don't fall in lock step with others here who feel that President Obama could DO NO WRONG

it's AMAZING how much the Democrats and Liberals are Such HYPOCRITES

When President Bush was in office and Gitmo was Open

The democrats and Liberals ATTACKED him mercifully

Now only is Gitmo STILL OPEN and we are spending MILLIONS for a Soccer Field and Flat Screen Televisions but the SILENCE from the LEFT is deafening

When President Bush was in office the attacks from the left regarding Water-boarding was LOUD

but when President Obama is the judge and the jury and uses drones, once again

the SILENCE from the LEFT is DEAFENING

It's O.K. as long as usual as you are a Democrat or a Liberal

3) President Obama is a GREAT father, a GREAT Husband, a GREAT Motivator, and reads a GREAT speech

BUT many of us feel that he is in WAY OVER HIS READ regarding THE ECONOMY

Correct:

President Reagan-Tip O Neill and President Clinton- Newt Gingrich

That is how things used to get done.

But I saw President Obama consistently reach across the aisle - and there was no one willing to reach back! Why was that! What more did they want? Utter capitulation?

The individual mandate was a Republican idea. Cap and Trade was a Republican idea.

Yes, one measure of unemployment (U-6) puts it at 14.3%

But back up there about forever ago, you said, "The unemployment rate in January 2007 was 4.6%. Today it is at least 8.3% and above." I insert the reminder that it rose to over 10% in between.

One question is whether the difference between the U-6 number and whatever the more commonly used number is fairly constant over time.

Maphe

Honestly Now

"But I saw President Obama consistently reach across the aisle - and there was no one willing to reach back!"

Where did you see that????

Behind Closed doors - Not for show

How often do you think President Obama sits down with the Republicans?

What percentage of the BLAME would you give to both sides for not coming to agreements that need to be made?

Since the last Credit debacle where I am sure we would Agree to Disagree who's FAULT that actually was

Was has ACTUALLY been cut to lower the Largest national Debt In HISTORY???

We BOTH Know that this will NOW come to a Head again before the end of the year

P.S. 2) you don't fall in lock step with others here who feel that President Obama could DO NO WRONG

Can you honestly not admit to being embarrassed by the lopsidedness of most posters on this site

Just - may I call you just?

I am persistent and am not afraid of debates, but I have a low tolerance for people that just spout the standard talking-points.

A few years ago, my mother moved near me - was 1500 miles away. For the first time since I went off to college, I spent more than a week or two several times a year with her. I knew she was a Republican (our family had some vigorous fights about Vietnam). After she moved in 2009, we for the first time shared thoughts about politics and quickly discovered that we disagreed on almost everything.

But, we decided to stay away from philosophy, spin, opinion as much as possible and stay to facts and history. We almost always discovered that we didn't know that many facts. So I started "googling". That is when I found the CBO and the Financial Management Services, Bureau of Labor Statistics and found lots and lots of data.

Bottom line:

The truth almost always lies somewhere in between. Things are rarely black or white - but a shade of gray.

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President Obama tried to close Gitmo. But we can't just let those people go but the Republicans blocked the effort to find somewhere else for them to be kept.

I am disturbed about the drones. But it beats invading a country for no good reason (sorry - probably a hot-button) like Iraq.

Finally - one of the reasons you don't hear the left yelling more is that the right has been doing more than enough. It's easy to pull behind your guy if he is under vicious attack.

When people just start yelling - even just a few - all productive dialog just stops.

Heh - it's been fun. Sorry the links didn't work.

Great chatting with you Maphi

You have my RESPECT

At one point I posted to the Fox News web pages, and the same (I would say worse - but then...) thing can be said. I got tired of getting figuratively spit on, so I stopped.

Of course it is lopsided. People gravitate to where they can "sing in the same choir".

I saw him trying to compromise, you didn't. Perhaps this is an example where the truth (define truth) lies in the middle. Maybe he compromised less than I think and more than you think.

Last point - really have to go.

Before you even think about budget issues, I would suggest going to the CBO website and look for the Historic Budget Data. Then you can see what the actual numbers are. I left a post recently with tips on how to create a graph (I love graphs!) It is a real eye-opener.

Good night (unless you have posted something else while I've been writing this one. :)

Maybe we can do this again sometime.

With a little smaller scope. :)

It's hilarious listening to Republicans saying Obama won't compromise with them:

Boehner: ‘I Reject The Word’ Compromise

By Ben Armbruster on Dec 13, 2010 at 9:45 am

During an interview with incoming House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) last night on 60 Minutes, host Leslie Stahl noted that President Obama has said Boehner will “have a responsibility to govern” as Speaker. “You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower,” Obama said. “We have to govern. That’s what we were elected to do,” Boehner told Stahl, adding that it won’t involve compromising, but instead finding “common ground”:

STAHL: But governing means compromising.

BOEHNER: It means working together.

STAHL: It also means compromising.

BOEHNER: It means finding common ground.

STAHL: Okay, is that compromising?

BOEHNER: I made it clear I am not going to compromise on my principles, nor am I going to compromise the will of the American people.

STAHL: What are you saying? You’re saying, “I want common ground, but I’m not gonna compromise.” I don’t understand that. I really don’t.

BOEHNER: When you say the word “compromise,” a lot of Americans look up and go, “Uh oh, they’re gonna sell me out.” And so finding common ground, I think, makes more sense.

Stahl noted that Boehner compromised his position on the Bush tax cuts to get a deal with Obama last week, noting that he had wanted the all the Bush-era tax cuts extended permanently but only got a two-year extension. Boehner again said it wasn’t a compromise. “Why won’t you say you’re afraid of the word,” Stahl asked. “I reject the word,” Boehner said.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/12/13/134669/boehner-reject-compromise/

thumbs up xxx ooo.....man o man.....nothing like saying it as it is! double thumbs up.....oh my ribs...........

xxxooo, IMO we have two choices: Go forward with Obama or backward with Romney.

Like the terminator there on your avatar. I don't want the terminator in the white house, though. Actually Romney would be the Terminator II, wouldn't he.

XXX its sdrawkcabssa.

#13.3 what?

India~ Whom is being clever--it's assbackwards, backwards. LOL

Read it in reverse India, it is how I used to write book reports to republican teachers, they gave me A's for being inventive and making them use a mirror to read what I wrote.

Driew era uoy, oooxxx. LOL

.snacilbuper dnuora gnignah sraey morf semoc tI

You learn to think backwards, because they are unable to go forwards.

@xxx ooo

You make some good points - even if they are a bit discouraging.

Here is a link to a post with a graph that compares recessions since 1974.

One thing that jumps out is just what a deep hole we are in!!!

But the other thing to note is how slow the recover from the previous 2 - 1990 and 2001 - was compared to the ones before. Look how we bounced back from the 1974 one. [Also why didn't the 1980 and 1981 recessions count as one double-dip].

To your point, the head-winds are stronger now than in the past.

And at a time when we are in really really deep, when we need to all work together and be as creative, as innovative and supportive of each other as possible, we are mired in this swamp of partisan politics, obstructionism and down-right hatred.

Now I'm really depressed...

Vigilance!

Turn you depression into determination! : ( : )

America will

Hopefully by voting out President Obama

and taking over the Senate awhile keeping the House

Only if you wear Mittens magic underpants on your head, if you don't Mittens magic won't work.

Where do the middle class get their money?

From all those companies that got sent to India and China? Nah, maybe not.

When expenses go up and resources go down for the poor, working poor, lower and upper middle classes (something caused by social services cuts, job loss, and loss of the middle/lower classes one major financial resource=their homes) there isn't anywhere near as much for food/personal products, leisure products like clothing, gifts, impulse buys, let alone fast food/restraunts/espressos etc.

This leads to less income for small businesses, less income for large distributors, and therefore small businesses go out of businesses and biggger companies hire less/cut employees.

If you work to make sure the major groups of americans have their basic needs met and then some, money goes into the economy, it improves, confidence grows, people are less scared to spend, the economy slowly but surely improves.

Keep in mind- money in the hands of the working class goes 100% back into the economy, we don't have the option to save when things are this tight!

You can give all the tax breaks to businesses you want (although the vast majority of the wealthy DO NOT create jobs, not any more than anyone else) but if the people don't have money to buy their products they can't hire anyone.

Want improvement?

Tax breaks go to the middle class, social services should increase if anything, and the morgage industry needs to lessen their requirement to buy the many, many homes sitting empty. They 'adjusted' their policies to take them away, at all of our expense, it's high time they fix their mess by putting people back into homes.

This is key. Most people's main source of wealth is their homes, there are many people wanting to buy and sell right now, but the market is deadlocked, nobody can sell a thing.

These solutions are common sense, but with the crap the right is pushing people are fighting against their own good, making solutions seem harmful, so they can put their puppet in place.

The ONE AND ONLY thing 'Mittens' has proven in his private and public career is that he will say and do whatever he has to to put money in his own pockets, and he doesn't care whatsoever who he has to step on to do it!

Obama promised us it would be fixed or he would be a 1 term President.