POLL: WILL MITT ROMNEY'S "WAR ON WOMEN" STUNT BACKFIRE?
Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:50 PM EDT
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Yes. Mr Romney has already lost women votes in 2012. Whatever stunt he tries now will not work. Starting middleclass, poor, seniors his plans to abolish their programs was just the begining, then we saw about women and who knows what stunt he will have next.
He's lost women, and he's also lost the elderly and poor considering his comments about how he wants to close HUD and cause 4.5 million poor, elderly and disabled people to lose their housing subsidies- talk about throwing Grandma off a cliff!
Queen Ann better be careful.....you know how the reps hated Hillary Clinton, when her husband came into office.....Reps don't want women seeming to run the place.
He has no ground.......Obama didn't say any thing bad about Ann, in fact he took her side, did he not?
how many nannys or maids did she have to help raise 5 children in the course of their life?
Everything Romney says is a lie. The only thing he cares about is beating Obama. I think him and Mcconnell are best friends. Keep up your stupid lies and idiotic ideas. OBAMA 2012
Billie,
and scott walker is romney's hero.
Mrs. Romney has lost credibility with her recent condescending "birthday present" statement. Although I respect her for raising 5 children, I would also like to see her spend time with working mothers, visiting day care centers, speaking with unemployed women. She talks the talk, motherhood notwithstanding, but she has never walked the walk of an unemployed single mother.
It doesn't matter what Robme says or does. Everyone in this country knows who and what he is. A comment or two won't change anything. It's his entire life that's the problem.
The fun part is going to be watching the entire GOP twisting themselves out of shape to make it seem like they agree with the nonsense he spews. They're going to have to agree with all the things they've been pretending they don't really believe, because he's too stupid to keep his mouth shut.
He's the best thing that could have happened to the Democratic party.
True Obama took Mrs. Rob Me's side but Queen Ann already had twisted Mr. Rosen's words. Queen Ann should stop saying that raising children is a chore or like woking as the women who have to work out of the house. That is presumptuous. Caring for children, is a joy. There is playing, going to the park. Taking naps. And Mrs. Romney on top of that had help while doing that. She probably all she had to do was to play with her children. Do you think she vacuumed, or did dishes or did ironing. Some women I know do not have a washing machine and they do it by hand. I said in another blog that she should be grateful to God? or to the Devil for allowing her husband to get rich on the backs of those he fired and led to poverty.
well i think Mr. Romney the etch sketch candidate open the door about his wife with his comment his wife drives two caddies. i know Ann Romney talk her being a career as a mother stays at home what i like to know the whole truth did she have a house keeper and nanny for children . they are so out of touch with the working class who stretch pay check from week to week. there are so out of touch lets get real
One thing Willard and Annie didn't have---daughters! It makes sense doesn't it that he "haint" got a clue about women and couldn't care less.
And unlike poor women I doubt Romney ever had to do laundry in a laundromat and having to decide what she could put in a dryer or take home to hang in the bathtub to let drip dry because she didn't have the money to do all of it nor did she wash kids clothes out by hand because welfare only gave her enough to do 1 trip to the laundromat a month, yeah the good life according to the tea bagging republican.
I missed the first 15 or 20 minutes of Ed's show, so I'm not sure what he means by "WILL MITT ROMNEY'S "WAR ON WOMEN" STUNT BACKFIRE?" Whether he's talking about backfire from the Robme campaign is what I'm assuming and in that case...
Robme has no credibility on his views concerning women's rights, etc. and neither does his little woman, Queen Ann. They are both self-absorbed, out of touch snobs who don't have a clue about the average American's life and their struggle to survive in the disastrous economy left behind by the Bush administration and his idiotic policies.
The same policies that Robme plans to double down on at the expense of the middle class and working poor in this country. It will be disastrous if Robme gets elected.... and if the GOP aren't ousted from the House and Senate. The Dems need super majorities in both Houses again, so we can finally start getting some things done and getting the economy going again.
@David H
Robme also has lost the Hispanics... as well as women, poor, seniors, blacks, minorities. And haven't both Marko Rubio and Gov. Susana Martinez of NM already said that they won't accept the spot of VP to Robme? I don't blame them for not wanting to be tied to this guy or help him get the Hispanic vote.
I have a question because mitt open the door when he said Ann drive two caddies. I know she thinks she got a birthday gift. My question is simple did she have a maid and nanny when she was raising 5 boys. i think the young lady who said ann has never worked . Ann stated she was a stay at home mom. she has no clue how stretch a pay check from week to week like the working class women. i hope i get the truth about Ann Romney.
@Billie Mazza
And seemingly Ann Robme also doesn't have any problems lying either. I'm disgusted with both of them. Apparently neither of them have any scruples about honesty and take delight in twisting the facts to fit their lopsided views.
@Juliewriter
That's right... Queen Ann hasn't walked the walk of the average mothers, and especially the average working mother. They are both completely clueless and utter hypocrites in their attitudes and pretenders in views regarding their concerns about women.
They both took the comments of Hillary Rosen completely out of context purposely, to shift the conversation away from the fact that neither of them know what they are talking about regarding the needs of the average woman in this country.
The truth is, neither one of them knows any better. Those are the values they were raised with. Their families think they're great. And they've never questioned themselves about anything.
All so true, Chris.
They were raised lacking values that were instilled in the Kennedys and the Roosevelts at a *very* young age. How privilege does not exclude them from helping others and be in service for those who have much, much less. It was a required lesson. To have empathy for others who are not in their shoes financially.
It's sad that the Robmes were robbed of important character traits from their "stay at home moms". True grace is not based on the amount of money one has. True grace *includes* what is done with it....this includes everyone. They could never be "move in ready" to the WH on *so many* levels, IMO.
How many Nannys did Ann Romney had over the years to raise her five boys. Remember she stayed at home, worked hard raiseing them boys, told the nannys what to do all for what the minimum wage was at the time. Its nice to have Millions and not worry where the food is coming from, or if you can afford Health Care when someone get sick. Working poor Mothers live on welfare because it is cheaper than having a job and have to pay a babysitter. Need Car, Insurance to work, Clothes, Gas money all that it takes to hold down a job. Romney never had to worry about that. He is one of the 1%ers who doesn't give a dam about other people. Remember He Said: He likes firing people who work for him??? Ann Romney has three caddys. I rest my case!!!
@lloyd taylor
Of course Ann, Queen of motherhood had nannies, maids, cooks, housekeepers, gardeners. An though Hillary Rosen didn't have any intention of ridiculing stay at home mothers, she is correct that Ann, Queen of motherhood has never actually done any of the work associated with childcare, or being a housewife, etc.
Short of giving directions to the cook about what menus to prepare, etc. she has had servants all of her life (even as a child) to do anything that could possibly be considered work. She seems to be just as snobbish and out of touch as her husband, the Mittster.
Now she claims that the comment she made about "the attack on her motherhood" being an early birthday present IS NOT WHAT SHE MEANT. Well now I guess she knows how it felt for Hillary Rosen to have her comment TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT AND BE MISCONSTRUED. Tough luck Queen Ann..... the shoe is on the other foot, and both Ann and Mitt Robme have their's in their mouths.
Wait a minute! The car thing is no big deal....a lot of people have more than one car....just on this blog alone. I mean.....Ouch!....I have 3 *very nice* vehicles and don't want anybody calling me queen Katherine because of it. <s>
@Kathe
I agree.... and another reason for the difference in values between the Robmes and the Kennedys and Roosevelts is their politics. That obviously makes a big difference in how they feel about the lower classes as opposed to themselves in the privileged class.
Like you said, the Kennedys and Roosevelts were taught to empathize with and help those less fortunate. The Robmes were instead taught that making money was the only value of importance.... rather than helping those who are less fortunate. It's not surprising the Robmes have an attitude of entitlement rather than empathy.
Eegads, if you're already under fire for "being out of touch" with regular folks, why would you come up and mention "Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs"? DUMB.
Another thing not many have noticed is in this same interview, Ann Romney says something about how "it's Mitt's turn now". Really? What is this? Third grade, and you're waiting on your turn at the hopscotch game? I wasn't aware we "take turns" on who gets to be president. That statement REEKS to me of entitlement, being better than everyone else, as if "I'm rich so I deserve to be next". Ugh. Very distasteful.
@afrommi, RE: Comment #1.8,
While the Romney's mommy-war against Hillary Rosen's accusation that Ann never had to work while raising her children has been exposed for the ulterior motives involved, and that much, if not all, of the sting from Rosen's statement had that first sentence been relocated so that it appeared after the gist of what Rosen had to say about the Romney's being financially well-off enough that Ann wasn't under any economic pressure to work outside of the house and have only the familial roles of mother and husband, the fact remains that being a good mother is hard work.
Certainly, much of being a mother has to be pleasurable and provide sufficient motivation to make the job of being mother worth putting up with the hard part of the job. Otherwise, the human species would have been an evolutionary dead-end, while our ancestors were still hunter-gatherers, living in caves.
Moreover, even though the Romney's may have had hired help to do house work and yard work, I've not seen any evidence to support the possibility that Ann abdicated the hard parts of being a mother to a Nanny. Additionally, I'm not familiar enough with the Romney timeline to know how old the Romney children were when Mitt first attained the status since being wealthy. All I know is that wealth was achieved before Mitt got any inheritance from his father George.
[I know from what my parents went through, with 9 children born over a period of 13 years, starting with me back in 1958. My mom was fully occupied as housewife and mother; the only help she got was from dad or one of us kids, generally as we reached 4 to 5 years old (for the easier stuff, at least). As the oldest, who did my share of baby-sitting the younger ones when mom & dad were out, along with otherwise being expected to help with the younger kids, I know a fair amount about how busy taking care of several children can be.]
@plooka
Though I have some of the same feelings in response to Queen Ann's comments about it being "Mitt's turn" as you do... I must point out that this comment might also have come from the way the Repug party has customarily chosen their presidential candidates.
The Repugs usually choose the candidate whose TURN IT IS, rather than the one they are inspired by. They choose the candidate who has been through the primary campaigns at least once or twice before... and thereby paid their dues in the nomination process, ie. Nixon, GHW Bush, Ronnie Raygun, Dole, McCain and now Robme.
Democrats by comparison choose their candidates based more on who they are inspired by, who has the best ideas or platform for moving the country foreward in a progressive way. Which is why Barack Obama got the nomination in 2000 during his first and only primary for the Presidency.
I certainly hope Mitt Romney's war on women stunt backfires! Although, he's given us lots of other ammunition to use to shoot down his bid to be president. The guy is just not presidential. Now to prove that to the nut jobs who believe him, no matter which way he flops or flips or whatever.
Obama 2012.
Mitt if he where a candy bar would it be a $10,000.00 Dollar Bar He wants people to think is a Pay Day he will give away And the GOP would be a inSalted Nut Roll!
Here we go.....what mitt things of women who don't work.....no dignity......
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/15/1083575/-Mitt-Romney-to-mothers-Want-dignity-You-need-to-go-to-work-
Just watch the "War on Romney" that women are going to wage in November, 2012!
I think it can also be called "The War On Money" They have said its class warfare, But it more of the reverse it the war on people on welfare! From upper-class who have no class.
off subject but needs to be mentioned:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/12/us-column-dcjohnston-report-idUSBRE83B0XQ20120412
one more way the corporations are screwing us.
XXXOOO How can I seed this link?
I did it. No help needed.
if its a stunt why did obama and biden trip over themselves to throw airhead rosen under the bus
Rosen was right in what she said. Romney is the one throwing all women under the bus. De fund Planned Parenthood and see what you will get in November, big fellow. Please someone tells Mr McConnell, to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Ky. is so lucky to have him, nice no chin blowheart. Remember: He said his only job in Senate is to make President Obama a one term President. Ruin the country economy, don't produce any jobs, and this is what you get, Kentucky a backwoods state!!! Great Job!!! This is why Kentucky has more horseasps than any other state, second to Wisconsin.
Troll: It was another Liberal trick!
@Steve
Along with women, Robme will also be throwing the middle class and working poor UNDER THE BUS. Hispanics and other minorities UNDER THE BUS. Senior citizens and disabled on Medicare/Medicaid UNDER THE BUS. Basically anyone who is in the 99% and not in the 1% will be UNDER THE BUS.
Obviously, it was the other Mitt Romney that said those things in 1994.
@demmie
So true... Mitt Robme will literally say anything that he thinks he has to, in order to con people into voting for him. What he really thinks about any of these issue is a mystery... because the real story isn't coming from him until he thinks he's gotten what he wants.
DScully-2892243
He just can't resist a mike in front of his face, and after commenting recently about his flimsy excuse for putting his dog on the roof of his car, maybe he will sink without any help from the President's team. I just don't see him being very Presidential with Dan Quayle comments like that.
Yes! Women know the difference between the truth and a lie! Mitt said to the President Start PACing!
Worse things can happen. To mitt he still has to face down OBAMA......and guess who will send who packing......
Maybe we can get Sally and Tyler to moderate the debate.
Sally has tethered MD to the nest.
Ann Romney made a comment about Hillary Rose's comment about working mom. She was pleased that Hillary made that comment and it was her birthday present early! So all that bitching and complaining about Hillary was jut a put on! Romney and his cronies are all rich liers! Now she has changed her tune, and says that it was a gift that people were talking about working mothers! What a change, she has just Etch -a sketch attitude just like ol' Willard. Thankful mom it is An who can help Willard packing. She has just got the debate started in right direction.
I know all about that tether.
Did they trim MD's beak?
Hi India!
Yup. :(
Sally
You ALL Are Disgusting And A VERY POOR Excuse For Mankind !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MD/MI, you are suspended for a month for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.
Last chance.
#3.25 - Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:55 AM PDT
The post he got nailed for *today* was how many days ago????
Now, how many times has six said that we are all, and those who may look at things similarly, hypocrits, marxist, communist, immoral, etc.? He's thrown the book at us how many times and we ignore it? Then for a moment gets all cuddly, we talk to him, and he does it all over again. How many times has he broken the Newsvine Agreement rules? The Code of Honor?
Like the Dems in DC, we don't hit back with the same force as the offender. We don't report or vote six down. We just put up with his BS. He is not like TC, CATT or TAP, IMO.
I'll get off my soapbox now on this post. <s>
By the way, commie is head hunting and reporting BS.
@xxx ooo
Pacing or packing? I thought it was packing.
@TM
I am sorry to say that I am finding your current avatar quite disrespectful and insulting. You are making a mockery of something that is considered sacred to members of the LDS church. I would never try to make a mockery of anyone else's religion or beliefs and I'm surprised and sad that you are.
I would consider it a favor if you would remove it for something more appropriate... that is if you still consider us friends. I have considered you a friend, though I'm starting to wonder if you still consider me one. Is there some sort of problem I don't know about?
Willard "Mitt"Romney wife receives welfare assistance from him. Why don't you speak that way to your wife since you believes mom's who receive government assistance are not working! What a hypocrite!
barack husseinobama wife gets welfare money from him
mika 4.1 : In what document you have seen that ?
@Sen
mika the commie didn't get it from any where except her own imagination. She knows so little about the facts that she criticized me for bashing the religion that I held dear for 3 decades. mika knows absolutely nothing of what she speaks.
Ann Robme is the C Word and that would be C— — — — — you fill in the blanks!! It's not a swear word!!!!!
KUTLASS - How about spoiled brat !!!!!! She never worked a day in her life for anyone and probably never will even if her life depended on it.The way she LEACHES on to sMITT ROMNEY so much,I wouldn't even hire her for any job myself even if she's the only one willing to do the job.
TED, I just thought of something. Could we compare Ann Romney's comments to Marie Antonetta. Referring to her birthday "LET THEM EAT CAKE!" Both of them are coming off as snobs, I am better than you are . They would be God And Goddess! TM. posted a link and boy was it an education on Mormonism. Hopefully she will post it again. I learned things I di not know.
The word I was thinking is Cr— — y you fill in the rest.
PAM - If you were to take both sMITT and ANN and drop them out in the middle of nowhere (without any means of communication ) they couldn't survive for maybe 2 days (now i'm being reeeaaally nice on that one ).
Kutlas, Ding,ding, ding Is it CRAZY ?LOL
TED, I love down to earth people don"t you? I love people who can take a can of beans and make a meal. Ordinary, people are the salt of the earth. They will survive. The rich not so much. Ted we are the lucky ones and truly know what life is about. They are plastic people!
Pam, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than a rich man get into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Doesn't Mormanism believe in multi-wives? I wonderful why the Christian right hasn't pick-up on this? Maria Antoinette, that's a good one(smile).
How could it not backfire on him. Everything else does.
They believe in eternal sex.....for the men. Women are just for their pleasure.
@kutlass
Let's see... the only word I can think of with enough letters is CLASSY. Surely that's not the word you were thinking of. Give me a hint.
@Pam
I would be happy to explain or answer any questions you may have about Mormonism.
@Tropic
They used to believe in plural marriage, but it's not part of the religion anymore. Mitt Robme's grandfather had multiple wives in fact. I'm sure it's one of the problems evangelicals have with him among other things.
@TM
I'm not sure where you got that... but it's not anything I ever heard of as a member and not exactly true. Also the word "eternal" doesn't mean the same thing to LDS that is does to other people. But I've never heard it applied to sex in any case.
Tropic, Good Morning from the Buckeye state and welcome to the blog. Yours is a great post as well. I had no idea of the beliefs that the Mormons have till i watched a video about what the religion is . This is something people had really better educate them selves on. I just read where millions of dollars have been given to Rove and other donors as well have bankrolled his campaign. One gave allot of money and Romney's dog problems will follow him for ever. I read this morning that the one man who gave so much and you better brace your self he skinned and bar b cued a dog! For animal lovers everywhere this should really make you sick !We will all remember Shamus. I have to say Romney and his wife make me sick. This man has no value of dogs life let alone a human beings. He will treat many in this nation worse than Shamus. Every time I see him tell a lie and then follow it with that smirk of a smile. I have to wonder what is this mans end game ? Obama 2012, to vote for anything else is middle class suicide !
Dscully, Good morning. Tm posted a very informative link and they explained it. Her and I both were shocked. I guess the big question, Is about them being Gods and Goddesses?He can not separate church and state if elected. This is a very big deal. He will forsake this country before he will the church. This has to be driven home. This is not your everyday ordinary go to church religion. This is a big deal ! So we in America would be controlled by corporate America and also his religion will for all purposes call Christianity evil! They consider the Blacks nothing so what will happen to them and there rights ? If there ever was an Anti Christ it is Romney. He shall come with a smile !
@Pam
I didn't see the link that TM posted, so I don't know what exactly it said. But I have to say that the chances are, if it wasn't a link that was actually put out by the LDS church then more than likely it was put out by a NON Mormon group who are only interested in spreading false information. If that is the case, most of the stuff in it is either not true or a corruption of what the church actually believes.
We have all seen this happen over and over with President Obama and the misinformation and falsehoods spread about him, his religion, his nationality, etc. by Fox and the right-wing talkers. Right? That is why I have tried to make myself available to answer questions about the religion and correct misconceptions and misinformation which I know is out there and rampant. I can tell you whether the information you've heard is true or whether it's false.
But I hope that you and others in here will not just believe everything you hear, see or read about Mormonism before finding out if it is really the truth. There have always been a lot of lies spread about the church... I know this from years of being a member. It is the exact same thing that we have criticized the trolls who come in here and spread lies about President Obama and Democrats.
So I just ask for you all to please approach this issue of Robme's religion with the same open minds that you all have about other issues, and not accept falsehoods instead of finding out the facts... which I am willing and happy to give you if you ask. You may think that some of the doctrines of the LDS church are strange.. but that is mainly because they are a bit different from your own. But that is the case with many other religions in the world. I know there are also things about the Catholic church that some find strange. The same goes for Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. But assume that there are logical reasons for the different beliefs of those various religions.... even though we might not understand them.
But let me put your minds at rest concerning Robme's LDS religion as you seem to fear it might affect his governing of the country. For all of his faults with his economic policies, etc. if he becomes President (Heaven forbid!) there is absolutely NO DANGER OF HIS INCORPORATING his religion into the government. After all, did he force everyone in Mass. to become or practice Mormonism when he was their Governor. No... of course not.
The LDS church has always respected the Constitutional rights of "freedom of religion" and they also recognize "the separation of church and state". They do NOT want to see religion and government being incorporated into one... as other country's governments incorporate religion. In fact, they recognize that if it weren't for these 2 aspects of our country, the LDS church never would have been allowed to come into existence or to survive. Indeed... the early church did still get a lot of persecution even though this country was supposed to allow freedom of religion. Which is why the early church was driven to the Rocky Mountains to be separate and free of the persecution they received early on.
In fact, there was more danger of Rick Santorium forcing his religious principles and beliefs on the country if he were still in the running and he made that perfectly evident in his campaign. The only danger that Mitt Robme will pose to the country if elected is his Repug economic policies and deregulation, allowing the corporations to take over and run rampant like they did under GW Bush... which is what all of the Repugs have wanted to happen.
Also the beliefs of the LDS church are not dangerous and they are not evil..... and I'm concerned that this video you saw has given you that idea. And they certainly do not consider blacks nothing... so if that is what was said in that video.. it is NOT TRUE. The church is not prejudiced against any race, nationality or ethnicity. This seems to me to be more proof that whatever was in the video was not the truth and it was made by a group trying to spread lies.
Also the LDS church IS A CHRISTIAN CHURCH... I would not have belonged to it all those years if it had not been.... so they are not going to call Christianity evil. The church's real name is THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS. The name of Jesus Christ is in the name of the church for Pete's sake. All of the beliefs are based on faith in Jesus Christ as the one and only Son of God and the Savior of mankind. Doesn't that sound like a Christian belief to you? Members of the church pray in the name of Jesus Christ, they baptism in the name of Jesus Christ...literally everything in the church is done in JC's name.
The idea that Mormons aren't Christians is one of the many lies that have been spread by ANTI- Mormon groups, including most evangelicals. Just like they have also tried to spread the lies about President Obama BEING MUSLIM, or not a natural born CITIZEN of the USA, etc. You all haven't believed all of those lies, so I don't understand why any of you are ready to believe the lies being spread about Mormonism.
I was insulted by the lies that Lawrence O'Donnell was saying on his show a couple of weeks ago, and reporting them as if they were facts. I had emailed him last year when he had said some of those same things, and I was very disappointed in him repeating them again more recently. They were also lies that have been spread by Anti-Mormon groups since the beginning of the church. I was happy to hear him finally apologize after he was called out on those falsehoods. I have considered the MSNBC hosts as more responsible for making sure what they report is the truth, but by his reporting those falsehoods... it made him no better than Hannity and O'Reilly on Fox reporting their lies about President Obama and his policies.
So like I've said... I am willing to answer any questions, and tell you and anyone else whether or not what you've heard or read or seen about the LDS church was true or not true. I will try to explain why Mormons believe certain things that you might think are strange. I can also verify that what they believe really can all be traced to biblical references. I made the missionaries who taught me many years ago prove all of the doctrines they were teaching me came from Christ's teachings. That is all I can say to prove what I'm saying is true.
NAH !!!!! It won't backfire,it will just turn around and bite him in the A$$.Now whether or not he learns anything from it,I doubt that very much.He will NEVER learn from it even if it tried to bribe him instead.
TED, Bravo! You have stated what has been his problem from the get got "HOOF AND MOUTH DISEASE" .Now his wife echos him. I mean really is the Republican party this hard up for a candidate!
PAM - As the saying goes "open mouth,insert foot,start chewing".But in Romney's case,instead of foot it would be both feet.
TED, I hope you did not have bad weather this weekend ! Well the Buffet Rule was struck down. How can they be so damn greedy? I am so sick of the GOP. They are the scourge of America ! Lie, cheat and steal its all they know how to do!!!!!
PAM - The weekend up here was really nice ( for once) but it's started to rain around 3:00 am today and it's pretty much on/off showers throughout the day.I would like to know who did the "rain dance" around here now.
TED, Oops ! I am glad you only had rain. We did Saturday I think, Today was warm but high winds 45 to 50 mile hour. I told you I have Cherokee ancestors and i get on the war path ever so often LOL!
PAM - Are you telling me that you were the one that did the rain dance.If so,shame on you girl (shame,shame,shame) for doing such a thing like that.
Ted, At least she kept it in Ohio. Pgh today was 86 degrees. Very little wind here and no rain so far.
If it's 86 in April, what will July look like? Scary!
i see the silly fake buffet rule was defeated in a bipartisian vote
INDIA - Give it time and you will be getting it yourself (it will pass over and dump on PAM first though,you lucky bum ).It might not be for a couple of days though.
@Pam
Ahhh... me too. I also have Cherokee ancestors... of course I have to go back about 3 or 4 generations to get to them.
Dscully, Hi there Cherokee sister. I have it all the way back to Pocahontas as well as other tribes. This is on my Grandmothers side. I also have Cherokee on my Dads side. Ancestry is a passion of mine. My brother started it many years ago. He wrote to people all over and went to court houses looking up things. I have all of his hand written books. My heart breaks as he passed away before Christmas he was to be home. I had so much to share with him. Pictures and records he had looked for for ever. I carry it on in his memory. You know the computer and digital cameras were the best things ever made. I have a passion for our military and the native Americans . I would love to find actual Indian descendants one day and have it come full circle. Who knows Dscully we may be related LOL!
Ted, Good morning to your corner of the world ! Hope its sunshine and Lolly pops over there !!! Today here its going to be about 65 and no rain. The winds were bad yesterday. Say you live in Washington state, If I remember right you grow tons of apples there. So rain now and bushels of apples and hard apple cider LOL. I will not dance for few days till I get mad then watch out LOL. Have great day Ted!
sculley, i see you bash the mormon faith but tell us to respect the muslim faith that says its ok to stone a woman to death.
Hey commie
You really don't know what you are talking about and are just making stuff up... like they do on the Fox propaganda network. I want you to tell me... what exactly have I said that "bashes the Mormon faith"? I WAS A MORMON for several decades and I know more about the religion than you probably ever will... NIT! And if you had paid better attention you would have noticed that the only thing I've done is try to correct misunderstandings about the religion that I see others making due to misinformation.
I have also NEVER "told anyone to respect the Muslim faith", although I believe it is important to respect ALL FAITHS, whether Christian or non Christian. That is one of the things this country is all about.... freedom of religion. It's in the Constitution... if you weren't aware. So before you go making a lot of stupid accusations, get the FACTS first.
@Pam
Oh... not only do we share some Cherokee blood, but you are also interested in genealogy? How exciting. I have also done a lot of family history and genealogy research on my families lines over the years. Some of my lines have been researched back to when they first came to this land on the Mayflower... I have several Pilgrim ancestors such as William Bradford and Stephen Hopkins. I also have ancestors who have fought in all wars throughout our countries history... Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, etc.
One of my lines also links to President Grover Cleveland. It is also my maternal grandmother's line that ties into the Cherokee lineage. But I haven't been able to get too much farther back or much information beyond this Cherokee great grandmother. I only know her name, that she was most likely in a common law marriage to my 3rd great grandfather with whom she had several children before she died. But don't know specific bd, dd or her parent's names, etc. It's one line I need to do more research on. They were in 1800 Kentucky and there are limited or no records that wilderness at that time.
My paternal lines all go back to Italy and I've only been able to go back several generations with those via Catholic church records, etc.
Dscully, This is amazing. My roots are so strong in Kentucky. I have ancestors all over the world. I have the whole enchilada Ancestry, So I am able to go over seas to get records. I too have ancestors that were on the Mayflower. I also have ancestors who came here and settled I think 13 years before they arrived. Would"nt this be wild If we are related ? One of my best friends and I found our our roots are connected. They had been researching for years and could not find the missing piece. Her and I started talking and I connected the dots. genealogy is fascinating to me. The more I find the more I want to find. My Dads side came here by way of Virginia. Then they came to Kentucky. This is amazing. The thing Is we are all related by 2 people who started populating the earth. One side Of my family is traced all the way back to King David. There is a CD I have to get hold of to read all the history of this.
@Pam
Are you kidding me?! Which pilgrims are you related to? That would be wild if we are related, but it's a small world after all. I found out a few years ago that another good friend of mine is also descended from Stephen Hopkins and that makes us distant cousins.
I think my Kentucky relations came from the Carolinas originally with surnames.. Young and Smith. The 3rd great grandmother of mine from Kentucky who was Cherokee was known as Linda Robbins.
Since you and I might possibly be related, we should at least designate ourselves as friends. So I have sent you a friend request. I hope I did it correctly, it's the first time I've sent one.
Hi Ladies,
My family has been in Kentucky since long before statehood. My dad's father is descended from Major John Hardin on his mother's side and other ancestors settled in western Kentucky in what is now Livingston county, next to the Chickasaw land My mother's family were also early settlers in the early 19th century.
None of my ancestors were on the Mayflower, three were in Jamestown Colony several years before the Mayflower landed and survived famine, Indian, and plague, then moving north and west deeper into Virginia and then No. Carolina.
There were stories that we had some Indian ancestry (Choctaw) but my dad and I had DNA testing a couple of years ago and we are 100% European.
I'm not surprised at how distant Romney is from the majority of Americans. He has always had a smug entitled attitude. His father was totally different in his attitude to the economy of the poor. He did a lot to promote housing for lower income people and tried to do more, some of his recommendations were stymied by Nixon.
Republican leaders of thirty years ago would not recognize the party as it exists today.
This Romney spent three years in France on a 'mission' when young men his age were being drafted. Now he isn't going to file his tax return until October because he want's to hide it as long as possible.
Once a crook, always a crook.
Hi AndieP
Another genealogist! Glad to meet you. Wasn't John Hardin a gun fighter, or am I thinking of someone else? So your ancestors settled in Livingston county? I found my ancestors in Raccoon county, Kentucky.
I don't know much about what Mitt's father, George Romney was like and what his attitudes were. He was before my time, but I have wondered if he was as out of touch as his son. But it sounds like both of Mitt's parents were more open minded and concerned about average Americans.
Maybe because they weren't born into wealth and had experienced being of low to middle income. Also they would have lived through the Great Depression where everyone was struggling to some extent. I guess Mitt is just a self-centered idiot who lacks any empathy or compassion for those less fortunate than him.
Pam and D Scully, where do all the blogs go? I've done at least 3.
You would be surprise at all the people with Native American heritage. My dad was born in south Georgia where the Billy Bowlegged tribe settled on Billy's Island in the Okfenokee Swamp, my grandmother grew-up with the chief's daughter. I have some relationship to the Billy Bowlegged tribe about five generations ago. There's a statue of the chief at the entrance of the Silver Springs tourist attraction here in Florida. My great grand mother on my mother's side was half-cherokee. I also have a great grandmother on my dad's side who was also half cherokee. I hope someday to have DNA test done to have my ancestor traced.
Since President Obama was elected he hasn't received the respect that Presidents before him has. I was angered by the comments of the anarchist Ted Nugent. I am very glad that the Serect Service will be investigating him. His comments are treasonous and in my opinion an act of terrorism or he's trying to instigate an act of terrorism. If a white, republican or white democrat had been elected the anarchy that is happening in this nation wouldn't happening. I had thought that racism had fallen by the wayside. What a rude awakening!!!
Mitt and wife are proving to be less than honest about who they are and what Romney would do if elected. Romney hasn't JUST lost the Women's vote, he has lost the Hispanic vote.
He has told lies at every opportunity... Can you trust this tax cheat, non-working corporate welfare recipient? He has robbed this country blind with his Bain Capital, Goldman Sachs bailout corporate fraud scams! Join "Americans United Campaign" OBAMA / BIDEN 2012 and let these rich fat cats know that they won't be able to buy Willard "Richie Rich" Romey and Howdy Dooty this election, guaranteed!
Mitt Romney during this campaign of the last 6 plus years have really demonstrated to America that he can't be trusted! He is a liar and a tax cheat who has milk this system fro years with his corporate welfare tax breaks. He does not work which is evident by the fact that he is only paying taxes on his "ill gotten gain" dividends. He is the master of welfare fraud with his Switz Bank Accounts.
Ann Romney probably had maids, butlers, nannies, etc. Staying at home raising children or working country clubs? She has no idea about how hard it is for working families trying to make ends meet. Two Cadillacs speaks for for her hardships during this economic downturn while otheres are tightening their belts.
Jean, Now they will need a valet for the cars when his elevator is in use! I bet those kids never had McDonald's birthday party! I do not have problem with those that are self made millionaires but i do have problem with those who want to trash the middle class. Welcome to the blog.
Mcdonald's Birthday party yeah right Ann Robme threw the biggest birthday bash with everything under the sun for those kids!!!!!!!!
PAM - Haven't you realized that they had their birthday parties at the local country club instead.
JEAN DORSEY - I would laugh if ALL their servants told them to "take this job and shove it " and in the process,every vehicle they own happened to break down at the same time.
Ted and Kutlass. I was being sarcastic. Wonder If they all get a car for there 16th B day. It has been awhile but was"nt it reported several million is I believe put in trust fund for his kids. Wonder if those kids for one day would just like to be average kids ?
I wonder, I know the Mittens is a member of the Bohemian Grove Club, where every July they celebrate the "Burning of Care" ritual. So, guess for what is it they are training not to care. The bottom 80%, the working poor, the destitute, the seniors, the middle class. I know that if they win they are going to make policies that will protect the wealth and the wealth of their children and our children and grandchildren will be paying for the debt while their taxes will continue to go down. Our children will continue going to war for them.
Afrommi. That is intresting. About that club. You know with the war on the middle class I feel like they think we are ants to be crushed under there jack boots.
Pam, #9.6 It is starting to look like they could be right. Every bit of legislation that the American people wanted this year was stopped by the Big Money interests. That is not Democracy, that is an Oligarchy.
Clearly we, the people, are not being represented by those we voted into power to make laws for our welfare. That is a very bad sign.
jean, lincoln was never a slave. how dare he comment on slavery. damn, that was easy
commie:
Quit with the grenade trolling. It's against the rules.
BTW, Lincoln was a rabid racist. Look it up. Plenty of sources on internet....lots of them.
Lincoln hated the effect that slavery had on the economy. He hated that the Southern agricultural economy had an unfair advantage that the Northern industrialists didn't have. He couldn't care less about a slave's plight....not in the least. These are the basic "comments" he had on slavery. Certainly nothing to write home about.
Damn that was easy. <s>
@Pam
I don't have anything against self-made millionaires either, but Mitt Robme is not even self-made. He started out with a silver spoon in his mouth... and got his start with millions spent by his parents on sending him to the best schools, etc.
Then he made his additional fortune on the backs of thousands of middle class workers, by taking over the companies they worked for... driving up the debts, and bankrupting the companies.
Then leaving those workers behind without jobs, he drained any assets left in the companies, including the workers pensions. The Government was then left to pay off a partial percentage of the pensions Robme had taken for his profits. What a corporate scam and rip-off artist.
@Pam
I heard on one of the shows that Robme supposedly wasn't leaving any money to his sons, but he set up trust funds for his grandkids. I'm not sure why the kids don't get anything. Maybe he's stingy with them also.
@India
I know.... Chris Hayes subbed for Rachel and did a story about how over the past few years, that every single issue that has been popular and had the highest favorability... has not been passed. Some of these included the public option, Obama's jobs bill, Buffett rule.
Of course, the reason we got none of these is because those elected reps in D.C. pay more attention to the rich constituents than they do to the middle class constituents and the ppor constituents aren't even on their radar at all.
D,
i have heard that romney has 100 million for his sons.
India, Hope you have your ears on ! LOL. India I am beginning to think we the people woke up to late! I agree this is not a democracy any more. There have always been crooked politicians but they have doubled down in every way. If Romney is elected America will change for ever ! In so many ways we are for all purposes being thrown back in time. All the progress made will simply be wiped away with a Republican President. The famous last words ' IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN HERE! "Maybe the Mayan calender has it right after all. Man will delete all progress made and start a new. Say Iam making Taco salad today. I love rabbit food to but will have meat in it so its not all rabbit food LOL! I still can not figure out how to retrieve your e mail from my page.
Dscully, I think we could make a list a mile long why Romney is the worst presidential candidate since GW. The fact they are backing him tells me they have someone to push there agenda along. I had a thought that haunts me. It was said when we went into Afghanistan and Iraq on a set of papers not seen since what 2004 when we hope the Bush years would be held accountable. But they were called the Crusades. Just like when the Christians fought in wars against them eons ago. What are our troops really being used for?Romney wants to escalate war if hes elected that should scare the hell out of anyone. It has not been reported on in awhile of the suicide epidemic in the military. I read about it again on the care site this Am. Its still going on just not reported like it was. When will the war end in Afghanistan and our troops come home ? As far as the incident with the prostitutes. This is as oldest profession. Give me a break. The woman created a scene. What about her taking advantage of Americans there are two sides to this coin !
Pam, click on my avatar and where it says "Contact this author" leave me your e-mail address. I will then e-mail you. That should work.
My ears weren't on when you posted, but it is true: We, the people, are being UN-represented in favour of MONEY!
@Pam
I agree.... Robme will be at least as bad as GW Moron... although any other Repug would be just as bad. At this point, this country just cannot survive another Repug in the White House.... their policies are all the same and favor the 1% alone (and the military industrial complex) to the further destruction of the 99%.
The country is barely surviving the Repugs/TEApugs in Congress and the Senate who are obstructing everything. The only way this country will totally recover is when the Demos again have REAL super majorities in both Houses that can block the filibusters that the Repugs in the Senate will keep using to block all progress.
I understand what you mean about the continued war and the damage to the soldiers. I have 2 cousins who served several tours of duty in Iraq. When they left they were the sweetest nicest guys, but now they are both suffering varying degrees of post traumatic stress disorder... and are separated or divorced from their wives and families, etc. Their lives have been completely screwed up by that war.
DScully, I absolutely agree with you. A Re Pub In the White House would be beyond devastating. The main statement they have Is protecting the Job creators and there golden taxes. We are doomed If they regain control.
I am so sorry for your cousins. My brother suffered Post tramatic mattic stress disorder from the time they dropped him in the jungles of Vietnam till day he died. I hope they will connect with people and talk ,It has a healing effect In many ways. Right now they feel alone. The sad thing Is even myself had no Idea what my brother had went through they were forbidden to talk about it till it was declassified in 2003. He lived with fear, he was told he would be watched rest of his life. He was in special opps group. Sometimes Ithink the cruelty of secrecy is worse than the war, If that's possible. Its like being burried alive, screaming for help and you can"t. May God bless them and They are not alone.
Pam... thank you. I hope they can find someone they can talk to also who can help them recover some semblance of normalcy in their lives also. I'm sorry to hear what your brother went through, that does sound terrible. I hope he found some happiness in his life before he passed.
Greetings! Ed
Mitt Romney and the republican party are truly at war with the women of America. Simply look at the policies that they proposed and endorse in these various state legislatures to see the truth. Obama 2012.
Peace be unto you!
Marquest Burton
The thing about lying is always catches up to you. It is catching with Romney now.
I don't know how he can keep them all straight, he's told so many. Since their little secret remarks got out there to the public, it should negate any harm Hilary Rosen's comment might have done. Plus we know he's going to get rid of HUD now. His spokesman said Mitt wasn't going to get rid of Planned Parenthood, just cut off government funding, which would pretty well cripple it. He's the most ridiculous excuse for a presidential candidate in the history of presidential candidates!
It is obvious how "opportunistic" she is....witness how her deceased atheist father somehow ended up a Mormon on their "holy roster", so to speak....
Does Mitt Romney's stand on women hurt him? I think Mitt Romney's position or stand on women is the problem. Mitt Romney stands ON women, nd that is one of his greatest problems. Ann Romney had a choice to stay home and raise her kids, or go to work. Mitt Romney wants to take that choice away from poor and middle class women and force them to work. Mitt especially wants to force poor women on welfare to work instead of raise their kids, It is clear that raising children is only noble if you are a rich housewife with that luxury.
Exactly!
Nailed It!!!
Pam 52 I know you were being sarcastic!!!!!! They got a new car and a pony!!!!!!!!!!
Kutlass, LOL! Say did you see where I had not seen that movie but would like to. Its amazing how can have all the money in the world and not one lick of common since !!
Yes, their stunt has already backfired. However, it never had real credence with me because Romney does not have any real policy for women. In addition, if Mrs. Romney cannot speak for her husband and think it is going to raise the vote count up from women.
America has always been divided along some line or another and the haves definitely from the have not.I've never seen an occupied Double Wide parked at a Golf Course,or on prime beach or lake front property.It just doesn't happen,I never seen the wealthy drive something that trails blue smokes,it just doesn't happen.
SIMPSON - Sorry to say,but you are wrong on that one.I have met some multi-millionaires who look like any blue collar worker and drive older vehicles ( that sometimes blow smoke ).In the process,they would rather eat at a local diner than going to somewhere fancy and they look like your typical "Joe Schmuck" off the street.You wouldn't know it unless they told you ( that's how I found out ).
That is the public persona if so,that's so no one would even ask them for a quarter and I will give you that one.I will even back of part of my own statement knowing a couple Individuals like that myself,trust me there is a fancy car somewhere in a garage,for that matter Sam Walton drove an old pick up to the country club.So I've conceded the car what about the Lake and beach front property and the Golf course.Are you going to tell me that you've seen a double wide on Ocean front property,or at Augusta home of the Masters, give me the address I want to see that one for myself.
SIMPSON - Not yet but if I do,I will tell you EXACTLY where it's at.How much time until I see one,who knows.But you will be one of the first people i'll tell about it.
How sad is it when dividing the country & intentionally creating a huge controversey is considered a gift??? Guess flowers just dont say enough anymore!
Romney is toast. He makes my skin crawl and is utterly tone deaf and so is his little woman! Yech!
She thinks her sh*t don't stink !!!!!!!!!!!!!
When you talk about women you are talking about single women, cause Romney wins over married family orientated women in every poll. I believe once a woman decides to settle down and start a family they realize that policies under a Democrat Congress and President only hurt their pockets. I pay more in taxes now and get less for it than I did 10 years ago.
The Fart gives her away
Hey truth
Apparently you don't know much about the truth. The fact is that taxes are lower now under President Obama than they were under GW Moron... so how are you paying more in taxes? So apparently your theory is bunk... and you don't know what you are talking about. Bet you're a TEAbagger... am I right?
Mittens had the country behind Ann, until he commented that stay at home moms are undignified unless they work. Pathetic. The right response is to want to create a society where all women have the choice that Ann has. Staying at home to care for kid should be a woman's choice.
It's undignified if you're on welfare and staying home with your child. Mitt says you need to get a job to get your dignity back. On the other hand, rich women that stay home to raise kids have a terrific sense of dignity so they don't need to go out and do menial labor. :)
l ol actually the dignified work act was signed by clinton in 96 with huge dem support.
MJB: Did you lose power during the storm? Mine was out for 37 hours. Came back
on this morning at 6:30. The amount of rain that came down was like a torrent.
I could not see anything beyond my front yard. Hope you were spared.
No, the lights didn't even flicker. Sorry to hear about your electricity. Do you live on the west side? I'm way east. The rain did come down hard and blew. Wow! It cleaned off my front porch--ALL of it, like a power wash! LOL Thank God I didn't have my porch furniture out yet.
I live just west of the Waveland Golf Course, south of University. I'm not good at taking my car to the car wash and I left it out of the garage that evening. It is sparkle clean. It won't get washed again til I fill my tank. I have a small issue inmy basement laundry room. There's still a trickle coming in from somewhere.
All in all we fared very well. Your lawn funiture just might have ended up in the next county. LOL Have a good evening.
Small wonder that the Romneys seized upon this comment by Rosen (taken out of context)...since his campaign was being slammed by very real issues affecting women. Now they can wrangle this faux issue instead of having to answer for their positions on issues that affect women. Forget that old 'stay at home moms have a hard job' mantra. That grew old back in the day.
How was it taken out of context?
She said it.
There was no misunderstanding at all.
Why can't Anne Romney have an opinion about what's going on in the world?
Only people who agree with the Libs point of view can voice their opinion.
AR BKLYN you must have bumped your head,You know damn well it was taken out of context,and Darrell Issa collaborated with the President to get Rush to put his Foot in his foot.He's (Darrell Issa a Republican) is the one that denied Sandra Fluke a chance to testify about the necessity of hormonal birth control for a friend that was losing her ability to have children,very compassionate for the family values Party and Rush turned it into having sex,and having tax dollars used for her to have sex,that boob.Now you got your boxers in a bunch because the truth was told about Ann Romney,She has never worked a day in her life for a living Wage like say even you and that was said,but the spin machine played it that she had said that Ann Romney had never worked as a mother what a crock,I dare you to go to youtube and listen to it again,or are you so partisan,blind and deaf that you can't hear or receive the truth.Your move Bumpy.
lincoln was never a slave how could he dare to comment on slavery? (CHECKMATE)
What does Checkmate mean.....you think you scored or something. Wrong.
He thinks so, TM. <s> Typical r/tp response....apples to orange juice....except that both Lincoln and queen Ann had/have no empathy for people who struggle. That's the second time he posted about Lincoln, so I will repost my response too.
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BTW, Lincoln was a rabid racist. Look it up. Plenty of sources on internet....lots of them.
Lincoln hated the effect that slavery had on the economy. He hated that the Southern agricultural economy had an unfair advantage that the Northern industrialists didn't have. He couldn't care less about a slave's plight....not in the least. These are the basic "comments" he had on slavery. Certainly nothing to write home about.
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Damn that was easy, again! And, checkmate!
And again, quit with the grenade trolling. It's against the rules.
You sure seem to know a lot about how the vine works for a "new" 2 week old poster from what I can see. The last poll question comments you posted gave you away again.
@AR
Hillary Rosen was NOT referring to Queen Ann's abilities as a mother... she WAS REFERRING to the FACT that Queen Ann doesn't have a clue about the lives of average women in this country. She has never had to work outside the home to help bring income in to support her family, and take care of her home like other women have to.
So for Queen Ann of motherhood... staying at home and being a mother or going to work was CHOICE she could make. But she insinuated that other women who do work outside the home are CHOOSING to do that... when in reality many women who work HAVE TO WORK TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES, IT'S NOT A CHOICE. They would rather stay home and raise their children if the could.
For that matter... Queen Ann doesn't really have to do that much to take care of her home at all. She has lived in the lap of luxury her entire life... and literally has NEVER WORKED, not even as part of her child-rearing. She has had maids and nannies and cooks who have done all of the actual work related to child-rearing. The woman who worked for her family when she was growing up has even confirmed that Ann has literally NEVER WORKED IN HER LIFE... her family has always had housekeepers, etc to DO ALL OF THE WORK and that woman was one of those.
So when Queen Ann makes statements about WHAT WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY ARE TALKING ABOUT AND REALLY WANT... SHE DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT. What's more... since the majority of Robme's supporters are also millionaires and the upper crust of society... the only women Queen Ann is most likely talking to are other women with servants and NO FINANCIAL PROBLEMS whatsoever.
They also have no clue about what the average woman in the middle class or working poor need or want. Anything Queen Ann is supposedly telling Mitt Robme is all fictious... just talking points in his stump speech to fit the narrative of what he WANTS TO PORTRAY THE NEEDS OF WOMEN TO BE whether it's true or NOT!
And that is what Hillary Rosen was talking about... before the Robme's purposely misconstrued it into an attack on Queen Ann's motherhood. They needed to draw attention away from the fact that ROBME HAS ATTACKED WOMEN by saying he will close Planned Parenthood, supporting policy to restrict contraception and abortion, supporting the Ryan budget which will also effect the care and education of children and the care of senior citizens... both things which women in this country ARE particularly concerned about.
I'm really tired of outdated men telling women what to do to be dignified. Stay at home... get a job... be sexy... don't have sex.... they have lost their own dignity it trying to pigeon hole women.
I agree. The Democrats have tried to tell women how to live their life. Have a professional career, have no more than two children, get an abortion, need something you don't have - make the Government provide it, demonize those you disagree with. It is time more women like you stand up and say enough - I will live my own life and if I want to take the pill I won't ask the Government to give it to me for free, I will get it for myself with the money I earn. I repsect your firmness and determination!!
dennis
Democrats have done NO SUCH THING... and you don't know what you are talking about. IT IS THE REPUGS/TEAPUGS who are trying to control women and force them back into the position of being subservient to men. Repugs are the ones who want to tell women what birth control they can or CANNOT USE.
Repugs want to force them to have children whether they want them or can provide and care for them. Repugs want to force women to continue with unwanted pregnancies or those that result from rape or incest. Repugs even want to tell women whether or not they were raped.... by redefining what rape is.
Believe me... a woman knows when she's been raped or violated... she doesn't need some idiot Repug man telling her. Which is why WOMEN KNOW THEY'RE RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED by these idiots Repug legislators who are trying to force them to have vaginal ultrasounds when they need to terminate a pregnancy. Women know when their rights of FREE CHOICE are being taken away.