And then there is reality as a conservative blogger you don't get to ask questions that you have no interest on hearing the answer to. And talk about fake outrage why you conservatives have been faking everything since in 1969, first it was your fake outrage on crime, thn it was your fake outrage on drugs then it was fake outrage on the deficit and fake outrage on spending why there hasn't been 1 issue in 43 years that the GOP conservatives haven't created fake outrage over. Why6 don't you go back to Fox news and ask them why they aren't giving you a show on their network, why you could name it "todays biggest GOP whiners and liars show".

i see you couldnt answer my questions. why do you defend obama discriminating against his female staffers? obama says hes for equal pay but cant take time from his golfing to make sure his female staffers recieve equal pay? i call on democrats to tell obama to start working against the toxic stance against women in his admin.

The Internet doesn't have ancient slimey stone bridges, but trolls
lurk around in quiet corners of the internet; while they can pop up almost
anywhere, they thrive in distant relatively uninhabited corners.

mika, I'm positive that you have proof that Pres. Obamas female makes less than the male staffers. If not shut up and go back to commie russia.

commiemika believe the President controls everything. The President doesn't control saleries. But what I would like to know is how you got the information as saleries for most are not public. And you also believe that every commentater ask every questionm you idiots think up. If you have a question for Ed, e-mail him. He gives his e-mail address. But then you wouldn't like or accept his answer if you ask him direct. You just want to bash him. But then the truth never has entered into your talking points. Have you found you flight back to commie russia yet?

TMom: In a dark and damp basement with creaks over head.

Nope, larry, just hoping HE is right or that you will take the time to check it out.

Rush Limbaugh has been found out about his sex affairs with young boys. And has resigned from talk show! LOL!!!

BYE BYE FAT GUY!

I'm sure living with Mitt is a lot of work.

Indeed every day he changes his mind on things I could imagine, how do you like your eggs dear? Hard boiled so she does and than when he gets them I like them soft boiled!ECT.

Folks you must all understand that commie just makes things up, pulls them out of.....head.....and pretends that they facts yet gives nothing to support them because of course mika is never wrong no matter what

This is an individual with a distractionary reality optional mindset you need pay them no mind that is what the ignore author function is for. Far righties will do anything to distract from the fact that the GOP politicians who campaigned on them alone creating jobs and working with the democrats and have done neither. Remember it was the republicans across country who said they would make jobs just like obama and they have both been a tad unsuccessful far more so in the republicans case.

They throw out this laughable stuff to distract from the issue this is a sign that the left is winning each time the beckists and hannitites talk about radical hugs or how a half white guy hates whites, or a man who has a wife and two daughters hates women..........so that's really it mika expects us to think a man with a wife and two daughters who was raised by his mother hates women

Are you saying Chris, that lush and mitt are an item....or, are you back on the subject about Ann?

The shot off their rocket in NK, failed....

CC, How true. Commie, like many before him, live in a parallel universe where black is white, up is down, lies are facts. I am putting him on ignore as I find him ridiculous.

XXXOOO.....#1.8..... regarding your Rush Limbaugh missive, can you cite a source reporting his resignation and for the reasons that you noted in your post?

I may not respect the guy, but to just make such a statement about the guy is wrong and not worthy of these boards if it is not true, as it seems that you are accusing him of being a pedofile.

On the other hand what is it that you know about Limbaugh that others do not know? If what you stated was true wouldn't it be all over the various news programs even as a lead story?

Peace......

Fact Fatboy was caught red handed coming back from the Dominican Republic, a well know country for the child sex trade, Fatboy had his Oxycontin and Viagra with him only they were not prescribed to Fatboy. Oh yeah and Fatboy was alone on a 2 week vacation. Yeah right just because you say it isn't fair doesn't carry much weight when Fatboy got a free pass from serious drug charges.

@Larry:

Apparently you don't know as much as you think you know about whether this information is made public.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/annual-records/2011

@CC...apparently she did not make this up. You can apologize anytime you want for your false accusation.

Really all I see is wages and the job they do, there is nothing there to show any discrimination that women are being paid less then a man doing the same job. So we get another example of the tea bagging republican nonsense, just where does that show Obama female staff is paid less then a male doing the same job.

@Whom:

The reason you can't see it is because to do so would require three things that most Dummycrats don't have..

1) A desire to do the work and figure it out

2) the necessary basic math skills to add, divide and average

3) A small amount of common sense.

This comment probably won't win me a popularity contest, but I agree with Rosen and here's why: Ann Romney did raise five boys and there is no denying that raising children is hard. It is, however, a lot harder if you are not married to a multimillionaire. It is especially harder if you work for minimum wage and cannot afford good child care and have no health insurance, no car, and poor transit support (as in many towns). It is even harder if you live pay to pay robbing Peter to pay Paul, wondering how to feed all the kids when you don't qualify for food stamps (being a bit above the "poverty" line because your job keeps you just above it.) It is harder still if you are a single parent, or married to someone who'd rather drink than work. I can see all sorts of ways that Ann Romney had a bit of an edge on most mothers. Just a ......let's say..few Million bits.

Honestly, I never had to work when I raised three children. I was lucky. Sure, it was hard. I'll tell you what would have made it harder: POVERTY. Having to work to support them! Having to worry how to put food on the table and find affordable child care. Most women are NOT spared that hardship. I was, and Ann Romney sure as hell was. I have nothing against Ann Romney, but nonsense is nonsense no matter who speaks it.

You forget Mittens hired illegals to take care of house hold needs I would guess he would have hired a nanny to do that for his wife. Sadly the wealthy very rarely raise their children.

So who is hilary rosen and who cares what she has to say? Not of any value one way or the other. We make comments on here like that everyday about the mittens and it is just a comment. trolls will dispute it anyway!

TM, And who cares what trolls say either!? LOL

Claude.... Mr Romney and his wife are now heading or are attempting to head the hard right T'repcon party, which he has shown by his statements throughout the primaries. If he did not agree with these T'republicondino people then he would not have made the statements period.

Too late to change his mind now, as all he has said is out there and to think that he would do the opposite of what he has been stating would be wishful and ignorant thinking. It would be too sad if one would do or say whatev it takes to get elected.

I may not like Santorum on his stance on anything, but at least you knew where he was coming from and what he believed and what he would do, so one would have voted for him at one's own peril.

Re the Rosen statement, most women and the men in their lives understand what Rosen was trying to say irrespective of the spin that the T'Gopcondinos tries to put on it for their own benefit. They may rubbish her all they want but they know that there is truth in what Ms Rosen is stating imo.

Mr Romney kept and keeps trotting out his wife as the arbiter of all things female/woman. He kept and keep referring to her giving the impression that she is his adviser on issues pertaining to women. Mrs R no doubt is aware of issues that face women, but more likely women in her own financial and social station/class. Unfortunately when Mrs R stated that she decided to be a stay home mother and raise her children, she perhaps do not realize that there are many more women out there in the masses who do not have that choice open to them. They simply cannot chose to be a stay home mom, as they have no choice but to work or look for work outside the home.

Mrs R and the T'Gopers chose to frame their retort to Ms Rosen statement as being disrespectful to Mrs Romney and all those women who are fortunate enough to be able to be stay home moms, and chastizing Ms Rosen as not recognizing that those mothers who stay at home are 'actually working' raising the children.

So how is it that these are the same T'Gop people who are beating up on the stay home moms because they are poor and must accept welfare, and cannot afford to work outside the home because of the cost of daycare, cost of living etc? Aren't these other poor stay at home moms being described as being deadbeat, welfare queens living on surf and turf and champaign driving a BMW and who do not want to work because they are too lazy?

Isn't it odd that these poor stay at home moms' taking care of their children are being described as 'not wanting to WORK, yet for those with financial security who stay at home to care for their children are looked upon as WORKING in the home... LOL One would have thought the poor moms were also WORKING in the home just like the financially secure stay at home mothers. LOL

It is hard to believe that Mrs Romney, like many other women in the top 1% did not have nannies to care for their children and household staff to take care of everything else. Yes they had to oversee what the household staff and nannies did, but I would hazzard to state that it is doubtful that she like these other women of wealth ever mopped and/or vacuumed the whole house, clean the carpets, take down the drapes send them to the cleaners, then rehang them, polished the silver, cleaned the windows, clean up the yard/garden, cleaned the toilets, baths /showers, do the washing and ironing/laundry, wash the dishes, changed the sheets and other bedding, feed the dog, put out the garbage, cook all the meals, make the lunches, do all the shopping for food and other household goods etc, plus prepare all the food for the various dinners, cocktail parties etc, entertaining of the many family and friends and business associates, travel with her husband and attend all those other activities pertaining to her husband'd career, while he was working in the private and public sector etc, attend all the recitals, drive the children to school and pick them up, meet with the teacher or principal as necessary, or make arrangements on short notice when the school calls that the children are sick, and the various other things that women who do not have financial wealth must do for themselves and their family.

I am sure she has never waited on a welfare check, to then go shopping late at night, to fed her children beans etc or do without food so the children can have something to eat, or shop at a charity shop or a food pantry, or take her children to a meal at a shelter or sleep in the car because of homelessness, or go to work knowing that the children will be coming back from school to an empty house, or forgo healthcare because she could not afford both putting food on the table and paying the rent/mortgage thus must show up to work even when sick.

I am sure that she has never had to leave a sick spouse at home dying because of not being able to afford to pay for a healthcare plan that covers hospice care, or a healtcare assistant to care for the spouse and take care of all the other debt so must show up to work.

I am sure she has never had to wonder where her children were, or if they are going to come home in one piece, or if they are getting a good enough education so they can attend college and get a profession or even a halfway decent job.

I am sure she has never worried about going to the hair stylist to get a dye job to cover up the grey roots in an attempt to look younger to keep the job that the manager wants to give to someone younger and probably cheaper.

I am sure she has never cleaned other people's homes, or cleaned other peoples' butts or lifted a patient that outweigh her by many pounds by herself resulting in having to have a hysterectomy at an early age, and to later in life have back pain due to all the heavy lifting by herself because the institution will not or cannot afford to employ more help and on top of that only pays minimum wage and also must work the first 4 hours of overtime as straight time before time and a half kicks in. I am sure she has never had to work the night shift and then go on to another job in the morning, while her spouse goes to work his 2 jobs taking whatever they can get to make ends meet.

I am sure Mrs Romney have never worried about being evicted, or have been evicted because she could not pay for the roof over her head, and equally sure she has never had the water and the electricity and the gas and the telephone shut off because the bill could not be paid because of not having the money to do so and cannot find any anywhere including borrowing from family members and friends.

I am sure Mrs Romney have never worried about being forclosed upon and having no where to go because of non payment of the mortgage. I am sure she has never had to worry about healthcare or the lack thereof for herself and her children, or borrow money out of her home to pay for healthcare, nor worry about the cost of college or borrow money out of her home to pay for college for her kids.

I am sure that she has never had to worry about not having a retirement plan or very little in a retirement plan and that there are those republicans in congress who wants to get rid of Social Security and Medicare programs that she has been paying into since starting to work from an early age and now older worry that the Social Security payments will not be enough to cover her housing, food, meds, utilities etc cost or worry that Medicare will not be there to cover medical costs when she is old, sick from all the hard work done all her life.

I am sure she will never will have to worry that all those cleaning fumes and pesticides that was inhaled over a lifetime that she must now use oxygen to be able to breathe, or live with the prolapsed discs in her back or the arthritis in her joints causing so much pain that it would be difficult to walk etc.

I am sure she will never have to worry about going into a Medicaid nursing home that is losing its license due to difficiencies and because Medicaid is cutting what is paid for these patients/residents yet again.

I am sure she will never have to worry about the care of aging parents including those relatives that are suffereing with alsheimers or dementia but because income is just a little above poverty level the person cannot be admitted to any of these facilities that provide care for these patients so the person must be cared for at home. I am sure Mr and Mrs Romney will never have to go into debt to pay for the care of these elderly relatives or even those disabled or children who have some genetic disorder or other and who need or will need the 1 on 1 care as they cannot stay by themselves alone.

The mirad of situations that people in the masses and the poor face everyday is too long to mention here as it would go on forever. But the impact of what these polititians do and the programs that they cut or defund have real impact on real people's lives every day, whether it is from cutting funding for education, early childhood education, Pell Grants, school lunches, eldercare, daycare, healthcare, contraception, Planned Parenthood, Medicaid, or WIC or the various food programs and other public safety nets including unemployment insurance benefits.

Many mothers work outside the home because they must, not because they want to.

If the T'publicons have their way per their budgets and statements, we all will be left without any means of financial support/pension funds to look forward to in our elder years, as they attempt to do away with Social Security and Medicare as well as all the public safety nets.

Mr Romney mistakenly feels that there are many in the masses who envy him and the other 1%ers their wealth. One could say that it is more that folks in the masses may wish they all had or have the opportunities, help, assistance and freedom he and those of his ilk had to be able to make the wealth they now enjoy imo.

Their spouses and their advisers etc may not know either or they may know but chose to ignore the plight of the many in the masses for political gains perhaps. That is something that they will have to live with, because at the end of the day we are all answerable for the things we have done, and the things that we did not do but could have done that could help others in sore need of the help/assistance. The Good Book that many of these people love to mention warns about gaining the whole world but losing ones soul.

Peace.....

EXCELLENT BZE1, excellent post. #2.5 I agree. I am so tired of the Republican spin machine, the Fox news propaganda machine, and the entire T-party nonsense that I can barely stand it!

The choice that Rosa Parks made is the impressive one, not Ann Romneys. I imagine Rosa's days of riding to work on the bus were a TAD more difficult than anything Mrs. Romney had to contend with. There are many Rosa Parkses out there, both black and white, who wish they had Mrs. Romney's choices and struggles. I don't imagine Rosa's husband could whisk her off to their flat in Paris when things got a bit tiring.

I understand Ann Romney has health problems and that is really a shame, and hard to cope with, but many women do and some have no insurance as an added burden. Her husband's policies will add many more to that unfortunate group!

India... Thanks. There is a song ' Who feels it knows it' by Romain Virgo, it is a reggae riddim that can be found on Youtube. It tells the hardships that too many people in the masses face on a daily basis. The singer may mention Jamaica in the song but it tells of the same things that are happening here in the USA and around the world. Perhaps the singer should have simply said.... "this one is for the hard working people".

Another reggae riddim song "Stop Talking" by Fiona also speaks to the problems here in the USA and around the world. In this song she is telling people/polititians to stop talking and rather do something to help people.

I am tired of hearing these T'repcondino polititians. Mr Romney keep talking about what President Obama is not doing or did not do or should not have done, but fails to talk about what he would do as President.

It is easy for Mr Romneny and these T'repcondinos to rubbish the new healthcare act but these folks were the ones who made it impossible to have a public not for profit Medicare For All healthcare plan that would cover everyone in the country whether here legally or illegally.

There are those who blame the President for taking the Public option off the table but couldn't those folks in Congress have pushed back and put it back on the table? Frankly the public option should never have been taken off the table imo, but that is just because I believe that healthcare should be a right not an option or a privilege as infectious diseases for example is no respector of persons, incomes or social class. This reminds me about the Edgar Allen Poe's story, The Mask of the Red Death....

What is also amazing is the amount of money being spent on these elections. What if the monies were put to better use than paying for oftentimes biased and untrue ads and commercials? Wonder how many roads or schools that could have repaired etc or how many forclosures it could have stopped etc?

It is easy to beat up on the poor and the suffering, but at the end of our days we will be answerable to our maker (if we believe in one) for what we did during our lifetime. Plus we cannot take any of whatever we have with us to the otherside. Archeologists have shown where some have tried and we can now see the burial wealth of the past in museums these days. LOL

I do not know what Ms Rosen was appologizing for in the first place. On the other hand it just shows that those who feels it know it and thus understand where Ms Rosen was coming from and what she was saying or trying to say imo.

Wonder when the T'repcondino polititans and others will start showing respect to the ordinary non-1%er women in the general population?

Regarding the Lilly Ledbetter law for pay equity for women, and the T'repcondinos continued push to maintain pay inequity, and thus the continuance of men earning more than women for doing the same job, because of their belief that somehow the men will be the head of the household, these ignorant people -in this day and age- are going on the assumption that the man will marry a woman and thus be the major breadwinner thus the woman's income will not be as important or even necessary in the scheme of things.

Wonder when will these people realize that women make up 52% of the population in this country and therefore it is highly likely that there are going to be women who do not marry or may never be able to even find a partner to marry and will still have to support herself and deal with the high cost of living by herself?

The cost of living is not going to recognize the single women for their status as single women or their inability to find a man to marry, and somehow therefore charge them less for products and services etc because single women earn less than their male counterparts.

Perhaps this is an attempt to punish women who do not marry or are single on the assumption that they could/should have married some man or other and thus be taken care of, but simply refuses to do so.

Wonder if they realize that there are are also many women who are head of household not due to their own chosing?

What about those women whose husband died, or those whose husband is locked up in prison, or in some healthcare facility etc? What about women who are divorced? Is this to force women to stay in some abusive marriage or other or to have a man just to have a man and the higher income that he may be able to bring home?

We have been culling - especially the male population- in this country for a long time as we send our young men and women to fight and die in all these wars/conflicts (or locking them up with lengthy sentences in those private for profit prisons at an alarming rate). Some return home with all sort of physical and mental issues that needs longterm treatment, care and re-education/training. How many of these men are therefore in any shape to work to earn that bigger paycheck?

How many have returned home in bad shape and it is the wife who have to go out to work to bring in the wages to take care of the family? Are these women being given consideration and a bigger paycheck because they have a man/husband in their life to take care of who is sick/disabled at home or locked up in prison? Is she going to get the higher wages that the man/husband would have earned if he was able to do so?

Plus there are men who are simply attracted to their own sex. So what are these T'repconsdinos suggesting, that women should marry homosexual men for the financial benefits they have as males in this society? Don't these men have a say in the matter of who they should want to spend the rest of their lives and share their income with?

How about those men who do not want to marry? Should they be forced to marry women or to provide for his female relatives because they are the males and have the bigger earning power/potential or salaries?

What about women who are attracted to their own sex. Isn't this gender discrimination/pay inequity laws impacting them negatively too? These women will never have income parity with homosexual or heterosexual males. They too will be in a family unit where both women earn less than males.

This is the 21st century, women are the head of household in many families and are the breadwinners of these households immaterial of the sexual or social configuration.

By the way perhaps these T'repcondinos do not realize that there are some women who do earn more than their male spouse based on education/profession/job position/title etc. So are these people suggesting that these women should not marry a man who is not of a certain profession or on a certain educational level or earning potential etc? Plus if the wife is the one taking home the bigger paycheck based on profession etc why should the wife still be discriminated against at work by still earning less than her male counterpart for doing the same job? Isn't that pay inequity impacting her and her husband's life too even in their retirement years?

What about those women who work outside the home because they can bring home the bigger paycheck and the husband stays at home to care for the children? Shouldn't these women also be able to get the same pay as their male counterpart at work? After all don't both parties have a spouse at home taking care of the children?

Do these T'repcondinos realize that this pay inequity affects women and their families for a lifetime and beyond?

Social Security and other pension plan payments are based on income earned during the person's working years. So when women earn less than their male counterparts at work they are also going to earn less than their male counterpart in their retirement years from Social Security and other pension funds too.

The T'repubcondinos attempt at social engineering is not working, and will never work no matter what ignorant laws or cuts in programs or spiel they try to put out there imo. All they are doing is perpetuating gender bias and gender poverty to the next generation and beyond imo.

No wonder these T'repcondinos are being accused of a war on women. They have shown their gender bias for all women to see.

Why else would they be writing laws attempting to control women reproductive organs by trying to outlaw contraception, abortions, introducing(in more ways than one) the vaginal probe laws - i.e. State sanctioned rape by ulrasound probe laws, defunding Planned Parenthood and other healthcare clinics and programs that provide healthcare to women and their families, WIC, Pell Grants, Medicaid, Head Start programs, school lunches, education, public safety nets etc and the downsizing of schools etc and firing of teachers, nurses and other jobs that women historically do etc and to now include continuation of pay inequity so women do not have to be paid or earn at the same payscale as their male counterpart, as well as their push that the private for profit health insurance companies can continue to charge women higher premiums than their males.

Regarding Mrs R's health issues, I wish her well, and a long healthy life. She seems to be doing well regarding whatever health issues. Others folks with health issues are not as blessed as they must work inside and outside the home, even as they get treatment and some do not have the healthcare coverage to pay for any stellar level of healthcare either.

What is odd is that it was Mr Romney who is the one who keeps mentioning and pushing Mrs Romney forward on the campaign trail and as the person who advises him on female issues. But wasn't it her husband who pushed her into the spotlight as his advisor on female issues and it is Mrs Romney who is also voicing her views that seem to be in agreement with her husband's T'repcondino views and his stance on the various issues as it affects women? So now all of a sudden Mrs Romney stance or views on issues - especially as it pertains to women- should not be questioned, because she is now family of the candidate and thus should suddenly be off limits? But hasn't her husband and the advisors made her into a now very public figure? Hmmm

I am sorry that Mrs R waffled on the wealth thing, she should have just acknowledged the fact that she is indeed fortunate to have wealth and all the other posititves that it help provide in her life and that of her family.

The McCains had or has wealth too and I do not recall anyone begrudging Mr or Mrs McCain or their family their wealth. Their daughter Megan is quite outspoken and there are many people including myself who admires her for having her own voice and point of view, and I am an unaffilliated independent. :)

Peace......

Indeed take whatever they can and run with it, They are pathetic in their weak attacks..

Its both it wasn't intended as an attack on stay at home mom's as it was more of that she has had it easy and never has worked a 9-5 job plain and simple.

xxxooo, #6.1 And true, she hasn't! Being married to a millionaire has a way of lightening those household chores, doesn't it. I like Ann Romney well enough, but spare me the nonsense.

It depends on which group of bigoted tea baggers the GOP are speaking to. When it is racist tea baggers they spew off about black crime. When its working bigots they talk about black teens on welfare as the cause why their not gaining wealth. When it is sexist tea bagger bigots the GOP rants about women taking work away from hard working men. That this kind of flip flopping often contradicting switching never enters the tea bagging mind, well that is because tea bagging bigots are incapable of hearing anything other then what they want to hear.

Really is small potatoes.

what is small potatoes?.....this has hit a big nerve with women everywhere, Sorry that Rosen apologized.

Me, too. Toadying up to the GOP? Come on. Rosen simply stated a fact.

Oh, I forgot, the GOP hates facts. Well, that's their problem, not the VP's or the president's.

xxx ooo, I was right in the middle of that nightmare. Golfball to baseball size hail for a solid hour and a half. And they aren't kidding, it actually hailed 4 ft in many places. The storm just stalled and dumped everything it had on us. Need a new roof and a pickup.

The weather is going to get worse that what I tell my sister, she doesn't believe in climate change. WOW that is something I hope nobody is hurt or worse.

Once again we get the right wing troll projecting tea bagger traits onto others. Funny how it was the tea baggers who whined the loudest when women started taking high wage jobs and what was the biggest whine they had, why women were taking high wage jobs away from hard working GOP supporters. But then they do have a history of whines about anyone getting the same breaks they enjoyed. Really all they ever display is their pettiness against anyone who is white male christian.

Whom we all know it's the right that has discouraged women in the workforce, in the white house, near the white house(remember that stuff about hillary from the 90's), in combat

Remember Murphy Brown vs. Dan Quail

the tea partyians, bekkists, and hannitites will pretend democrats are attacking ann after all they said about michelle obama accusing everything from radicalism, racism, uppity(too smart to be black) and now one democratic staffer/commentator not working for any campaign and now they are outraged?????

Remember the righties are masters of fake outrage

Fact is Ann Romney has never struggled to put food on the table for her children as most american families at some point have. She, Mitt, their fives sons(and five house keepers..so much for not having someone else raise kids..ya) have lived in a world of privelage and thus have not had the life experience to identify with most of america. Ann seems to be very empathic but her husband is a cylon, a cardboard cylon. He is so out of touch that's why the GOP hates that he is their nominee

When the right says there's a war it's because fox says there is when the left says there is a war on women its because of there quite real moves on abortion, equal pay, and contraception. All none issues they said they were done with. You think the left has a war on women

who wrote the forced ultrasound bill with the potential for a transvaginal probe in virginia....similar bills in tx, and numerous other states

who repeal the equal pay act in wisconsin

who passed hr1 the house very first bill, about abortion

who is saying we must defund women's clinics even if it means shutting down the government to do so

who said you just have to "close your eyes" while an ultrasound procedure that you don't want or need yet are required to because of politics to have a legal abortion.....by the way doesn't that defeat the point of the ultrasound?

who said that it was okay for a transvaginal unwanted ultrasound because the women had already consented once to being sexually penetrated?

who tried to bring up contraception on the campaign trail

which candidate talked about the "evils" of contraception and that it was not okay

which candidate said they had concerns about women in combat

who was lisa murkowski suggesting should speak to their wives and daughters if they did think women flet this was an attack

if there is no war on women why do you need to deny it all the time.........if their is no war on women why use the karl rove tactic of claiming the dems have a war on women(projection).....if there is no war on women why are the GOP losing women voters by over 15%

guess women must just be too dumb to know there isn't a war on them right

you are free to commence right wing sermonization

Yep CC I know. I used to use your approach of putting information out to the trolls reality is it is a waste of time though it is fun to use their own tactics against them.

Bulboja, I like facts myself, good comment.

its obvious to all most women dont have a choice but to work outside of the home. lol thats always been true, we dont need rosen to tell anyone that. imagine if ann had decided to work outside the home. dems would scream about her taking a job someone else needs. as rosen thinks its not work to raise kids at home why does she support abortion?

Do remember commie Rosen has children too......and she must earn a wage more than......Ann Romney has had to do

Clearly the Romney is his run has falsely tried to claim his has experience with what average people go through which he clearly doesn't

Neither Ann nor Mitt have had the life experiences to know what average americans deal with in terms of money. There can be no reasonable doubt of this.

so you seem to agree with rosen. why do you say staying at home raising kids isnt a full time job.i have a neighbor having a daycare center. she tells me alot of the mothers dropping their kids off breathe a sigh of relief. lolol many have stated "thank god i get to go to work and finally relax".

romneys have often stated they have never employed cooks,butlers, nannies, or maids. even when ann was goihg through cancer and dealing with her ms. they had family members watch the kids. i find this admirable . are you aware when they were going to college in utah they lived in a 62$ a month basement apt. both their parents were wealthy and offered to buy them a home. they refused. when they had their 1st boy they couldnt afford daycare so ann took him to class with her. ill admit i would have taken the home and the money. now i ask you how many of us would have turned down financial assistence from our parents if we had the same situation? lol be honest now.

Ms Rosen was absolutely correct. The Rmoneys are out of touch.

Then why did President Obama also apologize???

Then why did President Obama also apologize???

pre-emptive surrender(obama doctrine). Hey obama how 'bout you fight for once

Tom, "The struggles of the common people", really. Sounds like you are talking about rice farmers in North Korea, the people of a fishing village in Mexico, or coal miners in Chile. "The Struggles of the Common People". What exactly are our "Struggles"? Even the poorest among us have cable TV, computers, cars, homes, etc... The only thing I struggle with is what to watch on TV.

As you can see the Reagan welfare queen lie is still going strong. Tell me old trollish one just how does a person living without power, heat, running water living in sewers or under bridges or over passes get cable, TV's cars and a home, the poorest are in fact homeless because the social safety net wasn't there for them because of people like you lying about them. Oh and btw thank you for outing yourself by showing that you are just as clueless about the wealthy life style as you are the poor, so that tells us that you don't know what you are talking about, you just bought into a lie made up by a demented old fool.

Tom, "The struggles of the common people", really.

Really.

What exactly are our "Struggles"? Even the poorest among us have cable TV, computers, cars, homes, etc... The only thing I struggle with is what to watch on TV.

No obviously the poor among us don't all have cable....but that not important.........the middle class struggles against many things in these times

being a single parent and having to work all the time

the struggle for many to put food on the table, the right likes to talk food stamps and how many are on them because of GW's policies.........this is a clear sign that all is not well

paying for college without entering into a life of debt.....most are not able to do that

having a job or getting a pink slip don't think ann or mitt has ever had to deal with any of things

the cost of two wars

a poor ill equipped public education system

owning a home

I find it interesting the righties have been chanting this whole time that obama is hurting the average citizen and then comes up with the idea that average citizens are doing just fine

so you're saying obama is hurting the country but everything is just fine.....the country is hurting but the nation and the people are doing great

pick one you can't have both

Ann Romney has never had to work for a living and earn a wage to support the family. Most mothers have. Both. This is the obvious fact that the Romney's are rich and they always have been, the average person never will be, so the Romney's can not have a full perspective and understanding of life experiences they've never had. They never have had to worry or struggle about money, most folks have

I will remind you that this is the central topic that both sides find to be self evident

I'm interested to know why you can't see that this should be totally obvious

being able to retire without ending in the poor house

Whom, The person that lives under a bridge or in the sewer is typically crazy, addicted to drugs and or alcohol, and seldom participates in available social programs intended to assist. According to the US Census the poor in the US are doing well maintaining a lifestyle not known to those in third world countries where the "Struggle of the Common Man" can be found.

Cynical,

No obviously the poor among us don't all have cable....but that not important......... Take a look at the data provided by the US Census. The poor does indeed generally have Cable TV, as well as at least one car, and the majority has Air Conditioning.

"being a single parent" a conscious decision, for the most part a result of lifestyle choices. To say being a parent is a struggle is to conclude life itself is a struggle. No one said life was a walk in the park, or that people shouldn't suffer for the decisions they make. Would you say a person that poked out both his eyes, blinding himself would not reasonably cause him to struggle in life?

"Having to work all the time" It is truly a shame that people have to work. It would be much better to simply exist, free to do what you want when you want.

"the struggle for many to put food on the table, the right likes to talk food stamps and how many are on them because of GW's policies.........this is a clear sign that all is not well" Food Stamps, how much of a struggle is it when a Government Check is given without hesitation. If the so called Safety Net has been dismantled, why are there Food Stamps. And if the Government is buy their Food where is the struggle to get it.

"paying for college without entering into a life of debt.....most are not able to do that" I seem to recall reading the average college debt was around 24K for a four year degree, hardly seems like a life time of debt to me. You can't even buy a good car with 24K. Then again I don't know that people are compelled to go to college and aquire that debt. Yet another conscious decision, no doubt based on the lifetime benmefits of a college education.

"a poor ill equipped public education system" I have to agree here, the Teachers Unions have done their best to distroy our children's lives and futures.

"owning a home" First you complain about have to work all the time then you bring up home ownership. Perhaps we should be given a home at birth.

I find it interesting the righties have been chanting this whole time that obama is hurting the average citizen and then comes up with the idea that average citizens are doing just fine I simply asked where the struggle was. It appears in your opinion, the struggle is found in a persons inability to receive every thing in life from the Government. Appearently working and providing for yourself is not an option.

"Ann Romney has never had to work for a living and earn a wage to support the family. Most mothers have. Both. This is the obvious fact that the Romney's are rich and they always have been, the average person never will be, so the Romney's can not have a full perspective and understanding of life experiences they've never had. They never have had to worry or struggle about money, most folks have" So you have the ability to understand the wealthy, while you have never been wealthy, but the wealthy have no idea what it is like to not be wealthy. I think I understand what you are saying. Ann Romney has never worked so she has no idea about the economy or business. I wonder if she drove Romney Debt up Five Trillion Dollars in the past three years. There is something to be said for people not knowing what they are doing.

"being able to retire without ending in the poor house" People retire every day without being in the poor house. Of course the tax burden in support of social programs threatens the fincial stability of the retired. Of course those that do retire probably had to "Work all the time", I know I did.

No obviously the poor among us don't all have cable....but that not important......... Take a look at the data provided by the US Census. The poor does indeed generally have Cable TV, as well as at least one car, and the majority has Air Conditioning.

never a serious point to begin with but since majority isn't all it remains a factual statement

"being a single parent" a conscious decision, for the most part a result of lifestyle choices. To say being a parent is a struggle is to conclude life itself is a struggle. No one said life was a walk in the park, or that people shouldn't suffer for the decisions they make. Would you say a person that poked out both his eyes, blinding himself would not reasonably cause him to struggle in life?

For the Romney's life has been a walk. No matter what moral arguement you choose to believe about the reality it doesn't matter because it exists and many have been affected by that. The Romney's have not. Still in factual territory I think.

"Having to work all the time" It is truly a shame that people have to work. It would be much better to simply exist, free to do what you want when you want.

Neither has been forced to work to support themselves or risk homeless or starvation. Still factual territory.

"the struggle for many to put food on the table, the right likes to talk food stamps and how many are on them because of GW's policies.........this is a clear sign that all is not well" Food Stamps, how much of a struggle is it when a Government Check is given without hesitation. If the so called Safety Net has been dismantled, why are there Food Stamps. And if the Government is buy their Food where is the struggle to get it.

It's funny you think I claimed that it is hard to get them but you should be able to comprehend that most people who go on food stamps don't do it for the fun of it. Most who go on food stamps do because they feel they need to...to eat and for their children to eat. Ann and Mitt have never worried about where the next meal would come from. Many americans have, certainly more than those who have not. Still factual territory.

"paying for college without entering into a life of debt.....most are not able to do that" I seem to recall reading the average college debt was around 24K for a four year degree, hardly seems like a life time of debt to me. You can't even buy a good car with 24K. Then again I don't know that people are compelled to go to college and aquire that debt. Yet another conscious decision, no doubt based on the lifetime benmefits of a college education.

Romney's never had to worry about. Still factual territory.

I'm not going to waste my time addressing the rest of thse because the root of your profound lack of understanding is clear. Read this clearfully the Romney's have not had to worry about having enough money. Most americans have especially in thes times. You can not pretend otherwise. Despite Mitt's lies that he has...when has he had to worry about putting food on the table, having a job.....paying for anything. Never.

This is not about overall business or corporate knowledge people care about that when they want a personal connection to their leaders. Romney is out of touch. Unless you'd like to show him not to be....good luck. This is my claim don't distort it otherwise. It would seem everyone in the country knows that except for Mitt.

Everyone seems aware of his privilege perhaps but him. There's this thing called likability factor, whether people would sit and have a beer with the candidate, you can call it illogical if you like but it does influence elections(bush vs gore). People can't feel like they can trust Mitt Romney because he pretends to have been an average joe and he never has been. Challenge that notion if you like.

Well Cynical I think I have an answer. As the wealthy cannot reasonably understand the position of the rich, and the rich cannot understand the middle class, and the middle class cannot understand the poor, and the poor cannot understand those in poverty, the only solution is to elect a homeless derelict with no property and no money. Then and only then will we have some one in office that understands the poorest among us.

Fact is that what I said was that they have never been desperate for money, it doesn't need a scientist to see that. It's rather obvious.

Furthermore Mitt is not out of touch because he his rich it is because he has always been rich. Those who are wealthy are not forbidden to understand the middle class.

the president does not need to be someone middle class right now just that they have had those life experiences.

fact is that the romney's have never hurt for cash no matter what mitt says. Mitt has a lower chance of connecting with these points than obama because at least obama was middle class at some point

Cynical, I understand what you are saying. Somehow I am under the impression you yourself are not wealthy. I am also under the impression that you yourself do not understand the problems the Common Man face on a daily basis. You believe that college students suffer a life time of debt as a result of college loans when in fact the average student ends up with 24K in debt after achieving a four year degree. That said, if those within the Middle Class don't understand what members of our own peer group are dealing with, how can others outside our peer group understand? I would suggest there is sufficient information available for a successful business person to identify economic issues, and develop and implement policies to address them. This is something Obama has been unable to do. I must also ask you if you believe the Democrat and Republican members of the House and the Senate that are wealthy are as just detatched as Romney?

I must also ask you if you believe the Democrat and Republican members of the House and the Senate that are wealthy are as just detatched as Romney?

9% approval rating genius what you think. Oh yeah and all of them are wealthly just so you don't forget that......crony capitalism and insider trading

You believe that college students suffer a life time of debt as a result of college loans when in fact the average student ends up with 24K in debt after achieving a four year degree.

errr Wrong. If thinking college is so very affordable in this country at the moment common sense says your wrong. Keep in mund also people often want a car, a house, perhaps a family all these costs add up and when they is little employement to go around it becomes more problematic. Loans are not as acceptable and good as our culture pretend we loas happy nation and now the country is seeing the flaw behind that becuase as is always the case when vital important are bought on credit and the economy takes a dip things have the tendency to go way under.

More importantly if you believe that all those who disagree with you and are middle class are out of touch then I'll take that you admit that the Romney's who've never been middle class can't possibly be either. So you essentially have confirmed the single point that I alleged from the begining.

Now you also forget private managers are shuffle men Romney did not build a company from the bottom. His supposed business experience is nonexistent corporate/stock trader shuffling. Bill Gates or Steve Jobs those are guys with business experience they made companies and products Bane Capital shuffles them around. Bane Capital doesn't make companies they use other people's money to sell companies.

Cynical, College doesn't generally or typically result in insurmountable debt. As I said statistical data clearly shows the average debt is approximately 24K for four years of college. I do however agree with your opinion of our general use or abuse of credit. People tend to live from pay check to pay check, not as a result of the neccessities of life, but from their attempts to maintain lifestyles beyond their income. I have a very close and long time friend, a young man that was played Little League with my son. He is now 27 years old and has accumulated about 200K in debt. He owes on his condo, a time share, his truck, and he pays child support to his ex-wife. He earns just under $20.00 an hour. I just learned he successfully paid off 7K in credit card debt by getting a loan against his 401K. He will be paying off his truck next month and last week he bought his wife a new Ford Exployer for 40K. Needless to say he lives from pay check to pay check and something as simple as a cut in his work hours will be devistating for him.

On the other hand my son also 27 years old owns a single family home that he rents. The rent pays for the mortgage and property manager, and puts $300.00 a month in his pocket. He also just bought a condo in San Diego that he will be renting. He expects to clear about $400.00 a month on the condo. After putting 40K down on the condo, he still has 25K in the bank. Beyond the two mortgages, he has no accumulated debt at all. His truck is paid off, as is his college debt.

I see our current situation in this country similar to my son and his friend. The successful that are prudent with the spending and savings will more often than not end up subsidizing those that made poor decisions. When my son's friend gets in over his head, he will seek and get government assistance, and my son, through his taxes will be paying for it.

As for people in the government knowing what is going on with the Middle Class, I don't think any of them do, including Obama and his crew. Obama has clearly demonstrated he knows nothing about the economy as illustrated by the 5T increase in debt over the past 3 years, the continually high unemployment rate, and the housing market. Romney is bound to do better.

off the top of my head I would imagine this friend of your would also have to be a tax payer since the person buys a lot of junk

college despite an anecdote is still not reasonably priced

some of the uc schools are debating raising fees for certain courses with most that are more popular and thus costing more.....these changes are clearly to address shortfalls and could raise individual credits or classes into the 4000+ per unit last I checked but all that is irrelavent main point is college costs a lot

you've discussed college as being affordable because the median debt costs are near 24k but have you considered that all loans accumulate interest, recent graduates are usually toward the bottom of the work force. they do not make a lot of money to cover both student debt and personal necessities like food or water

There is no reason for this worth defending, fact is we must pour as much focus on all education sectors now because we are in the back of the pack when it comes to education in the western world. Just look at a high school diploma 40 years ago you'd have been able to have a fair amount of income to support yourself with one. Today the fact that people must go to college if they are to have any chance of later success reflects that a high school degree won't get you any but the unemployment aisle....it is worthless. Our nation is so far behind we can not afford to tolerate throwing education under the bus as the tea party governors like to do. If we are to have a work force that can complete with other nations we must be as educated as they are and we clearly are. This education crisis is a dark cloud over the longterm viability of this economy. It must be addressed and that will take radical change that no one has the balls to consider doing they'd rather have the status quo and the status quo is unacceptable

the costs however are going up, the quality is going down

in my opinion we should use a more european model where the state university system is provided at very little to no cost to the students who must work their butts off to ensure themselves a seat at university. This is the one socialist reform with potential. I personally think we should reward hard work as the europeans are doing and make it that you get there by working not by money alone

if you think that society not looking out for our own will be liberating us from moochers wait til a little later after these problems compound themselves and further burden the system.......the working poor cost everyone a lot more when they don't have work

Now on to Romney as you should remember my only assertion was that the Romney's are out of touch apparently you disagreed but no are admitting the same, proving my. So then you acknowledge that Romney is not nor has he ever been average and thus connect make a deep connection of trust with the voters. On his business carrier he knows nothing about making a company, Romney is skilled at the board room legal maneuvering not creating jobs or inovation. Private equitty firms are gamblers they take invest money and sweep in like vultures to a failing or lack luster business, does what needs to be done to start the business on a profit pathway usually by closing certain unsuccessful locations and firing people, Bane sells that company as soon as it can and distributes profits not jobs. Problem is that a lot of the companies private equitty firms sell don't necessarily stay profitable for very long. Luckily for Bane they've already run off with their money. It's a great scheme but your candidate seems to claim that this as creating jobs

@2ez...

Thank you for laying out a very clear example of what is wrong with our country. We have become a society which is out of control with our spending habits. I don't know if it is because the people emulate the government or the government emulates the people.

We have fallen victims to the belief that we deserve to have every new gadget and gizmo that comes out. the concept of saving money to pay cash for something is long gone...we are a citizenry that demands instant gratification.

The average American now lives in a house that is almost twice as big as a house from 30 years ago. We finance cars for 7 years in order to be able to get the latest model with all of the extras that we have to have (blue tooth, satellite radio, heated seats, stow and go seating, leather, etc etc etc.) 4-5 TV's in the house, cell phones for everyone, computers for everyone, etc, etc etc.

And then we wonder why we can't afford the important things in life...food, education, medical

Cynical, I will agree the costs of college is too high and that our public school system is failing our children. I believe Teacher's Unions are responsible for the later. As for college, I believe pay and the outrageous size of the Administration is responsible. In some states there is one administrator for every professor. I don't believe the answer is placing even a higher burden on the Tax Payer. My son's college cost 60K and that was with him attending community college for his first two years. Of course he went to a private university, his decision. It would have been much cheaper had he gone to a public institution. But like I said his loans are paid in full, no life time of debt.

As for politicians not understanding the issues faced by the middle class, I must also agree, they do not.

As for who better to address the economy I would have to say Romney. As you siad, Romney was successful in business that bought, restructured, and made failing businesses profitable. Placing that experience against a lawyer and community organizer is a no brainer. Obama is in way over his head and in the opinion of many has made the situation worse. 5 trillion dollars and we still have a failing housing market and 8.3% unemployment rate. The Democrat War on Women based on the assumption that a Housewife knows nothing of the economy says a lot. I wonder why they don't understand that it is the Community Organizer that knows nothing of the economy. Do you honestly believe a guy who has spent his entire life in pursuit of socialist ideas, associating with the likes of Van Jones, Rev. Wright, and Bill Ayers, is an expert on the economy? In a spech recently Obama said, "This is not simply about redistribution of wealth", I saw this as nothing short of an admission of his true objective. You and others may very well buy into his lies and deception, but I do not. Obama, like his predecessors (Lenin, Stalin, and Mao) believes he and only he has the answers and can achieve a utopian state, if only he had the power to execute his will. Thank God for the Constitution. Don't get me wrong, I believe in redistribution of wealth, I believe the Government should redistribute the wealth back to where they took it from, the people that worked to earn it. Taking from one citizen to give to another is not the answer to our problems.

We spend more than enough on education already so there would be no need to increase the burden on the tax payer. Remember many countries spend less and have produced greater than we have. I think it is clear that what is being taught is the problem. If one looks at the countries beating us it becomes clear that the biggest difference is curriculum. So even if we had 100% good teachers we'd still be behind because it's about the fact that kids around the world learn in first or second grade what our kids learn in fourth or fifth.

Romney would not do better than obama because he in fact does not have the experience he claims that's why he never actually backs up his claims about how many jobs bane created. Bane capital failed to make many of their companies profitable so they aren't experts at turning around a business from the ground up. More importantly government is not a for profit industry.

The president to murderous dictators is desperate and pathetic. It was wrong when the left did it to bush and it is none the less moronic and juvenille now. To equate our situation with any of those guys insults the memory of all those they killed. If you think obama is like stalin, you know nothing about stalin, lenin or mao. Stop the melodrama.

"....if I see it it's bull----" St. Santorum

The right can pretend it cares about the constitution but that's been thoroughly debunked. They call for religious based governance, sexual morality laws, the patriot act which everyone in that party seems to love with the exception of ron paul aka the only constitutionalist with balls in the GOP.

It's funny that you think the government shouldn't take one to give to another considering romney's business career was based on gambling other people's(investors) money

the redistribution of wealth has been knowingly or unknowingly championed by the GOP congress when they give subsidies to big oil or when they want to lower the rich's tax rates and raise them on us. And yes they do in fact raise them, just read their plans they do not hide it. The only redistribution has been from the average job to the upper crust, the money is being sent upward not down. There is no trickle just vacuum up.

On Ann Romney she was never an average stay at home mom. The Romney's had maids, housekeepers, chauffeurs and chefs so when you've got all that help suddenly the staying at home part gets much easier. Hell the Romney's had five housekeepers last year. An average stay at home mom works a hell of a lot harder than she did so to hold her up as a sign for stay at moms anywhere is an insult to stay at home moms. Ann never had to earn a wage to support the family so I doubt she knows very much about the labor market from the worker's perspective

You and others may very well buy into his lies and deception, but I do not. Obama, like his predecessors (Lenin, Stalin, and Mao) believes he and only he has the answers and can achieve a utopian state, if only he had the power to execute his will

the same could be said for the GOP

Cynical, I think we have far more important issues with our educational system than curriculum. Our children can't even keep up with the studies they currently have. Many fail to meet proficiency requirements for their grade levels in math, science, reading, etc.... You could replace our current curriculum with any thing you like with little success as long as the Unions run our schools. But the answer from our government is more money 80% of which goes directly into the pockets of teachers and administrators. Our educational system is a scam, like many government departments and programs.

I don't know how you can believe a Community Organizer has better qualifications concerning the economy than a stay at home mom or a businessman. I would prefer either of the later. In fact I assure my wife, who stayed at home while my son was growing up could do a better job at the economy than Obama. If she were elected three years ago the debt would be all but gone.

As for my comparison of Obama to Mao, Lenin, and Stalin, I was comparing their political and social beliefs. The fact that every one with a mindset like Obama turned out to be mass murders is secondary. They like Obama believe they and only they have the answers. Obama's lifestyle is also indicative of their belief that what is good for the masses is no so good for the ruling class. You talk about Romney being detached. Obama is living like a king, not like the rest of us. When was the last time you and your wife flew to NYC for dinner and a show for the night. How many vacations have you had in the last three years? Obama is the 1%, perhaps that is why he has failed to reform taxes.

There are no subsidies for Oil Companies. Oil Companies benefit from the same deductions available to all business. Money spent on research and development are deductible as are most equipment costs, nearly every thing a company reinvests in itself is deductible. The government does not subsidies Oil Companies. Subsidies are going to Solyndra, Beacon, Sunpower, etc... Free Tax Payer Dollars, are for what?

hilary rosen doesn't work for any captain that is a lie

the number of times she was at the white house means nothing, remember the evangelical leaders like ted haggard were at the white quite often under GW

once again it goes to show you that when the GOP says there is a war on motherhood is because that's what they have taught to think

we the left alleges a war of women it is because of the real social republican policies across the country not a single quite from a low profile strategist....where is the democratic equivalent to what the GOP is doing in your so called war.......

you think this one line could ever work in the general.....ha...no....romney has dozens more just like it

CC...

35 visits

Anyone who makes that many is more than just a causal visitor or low profile strategist.

and those women are quite lucky, they should or atleast Ann perhaps should be thankful she has been in a position to make that choice

understand that the majority of middle class moms do not face this challenge, most mothers don't have a choice as to whether or not they work or not.....these days both parents if there is a relationship/couple don't have that choice either

most moms don't have chefs, and chauffeurs, nannies....etc.

most women have no choice in terms of work, more importantly this is just an example of the right wing's distort as retort idea

rosen made no comment about stay at home moms, it was about ann romney who does happen to be one but it means little I estimate that the elite right wing media will cease their outrage by this time next weak