the good old days as you suggest were the democrat party being the party of slavery. martin luther king was a republican. civil war was fought cause democrats wanted to keep slavery. epa was fought for by reps. in congress and signed by nixon. more reps than democrats in congress voted for civil rights legislation. your ignorance is not your fault. the liberal teaching profession refuses to teach these facts. i call my educating you on the facts my good deed for the day. no need to thank me, knowing you now know the truth is my reward.

So once again we get proof that the tea bagging republicans never studied history even though they whine that schools aren't teaching history. Here is a clue, you can still find those racist bigots today, they joined the tea bagging republicans.

Nice try Mika, but what always seems to get ignored whenever that line of debate is made is that when the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act got passed and other policies got enacted which began dismantling overt government sanctioned segregation and racism, the Republican Party started its big Southern Strategy which basically boiled down to Republicans wooing White southern voters, many of them the old segregationists that were FORMERLY of the Democratic Party an others who were turned off by the big push of equal rights legislation into their fold. That began the start of many Black voters switching their allegiance from the Republicans over to the Democrats. While Republicans started building up their power base among Southern Whites, Democrats began their transition into positions many Black voters care about. What also gets ignored is that that Southern Strategy is still in play today. Republicans like to throw the late Sen. Byrd in our faces, but Sen. Byrd redeemed himself of his younger racist days and became one of the Senate's biggest supporters of equal rights in recent times because, as he would be quoted numerous times in the later part of his life, it was the right thing to do. If we want to be completely honest the South hasn't gone from being solid Democratic to solid virtually solid Republican solely because of honorable conservative values. And speaking of old Dixiecrats, instead of taking a page out of Byrd's book, good ole Strom Thurmond jumped ship and became one of the most ultra-conservative Republicans of his day right along side the late Jesse Helms.

your post says it all. sen. byrd once believed lynching blacks was ok. with the success of reps. pushing for civil rights he suddenly says "my bad" and dems. adore him? the liberal teaching profession not teaching the truth about civil rights is a plan to keep blacks on the liberal plantation. abortion is the #1 killer of blacks supported by democrats. even jesse jackson in a rare moment of truth when confronted with the facts admitted abortion is black genocide. abortion of blacks kills blacks in numbers sen. byrd could only dream of. the most dangerous person to the democrat party is an educated black. which is why the more educated a black becomes the more likely they will become a rep. which is why the liberal teaching profession is turning out students who are ignorant in basic education. wash. d.c. students have 8% of students reading at grade level while 95% of the their teachers rate as good or excellent by the school board. its is obvious to all this is an example of why democrats have a stake in keeping blacks uneducated. in summation the democrat party has a long history of holding blacks back while reps. encourage blacks to break the bonds of democrats who obviously dont want them thinking for themselves.

And your side had David, Grand Wizard of the KKK, who was a GOP congressman. It has been the GOP war on education that created the problems with the public school system since they mandated privatization of education which took money away from public schools especially schools in the poor inner city districts. Then there is GWB every child left behind nonsense. But you ignore all that and run your lips.

Comrade, your 'theory' that 'The liberal teaching profession is turning out students that are ignorant in basic education' is the biggest load of BS I've ever heard from a teabagger. Neo nazi CONservatives have wanted to do away with the Dept of Education as far back as ronny raygun, who cut the education budget IN HALF while he was in office, and over 30 yrs of cuts that have helped given us more people living at the poverty rate than ever before proves it.

I think Mika Should lay off of the Wadka, he's Hallucinating!

i see your attempt at humor to deny the facts leaves out any reality to dispute my facts. but then again dems. think throwing money at education is the answer. 3 states with the highest sat scores are in order iowa, minnesota and vermont. what do these states have in common do you ask? they have the highest pta participation rate and spend the least per student per capita in america. wash. dc spends the most per student in america and has the lowest test scores. liberal teaching profession telling students who deserve fs that they really didnt fail but its deferred success is stunning. truth is no, its not deferred success. you failed the course. parents thinking dropping their kids off at school is the extent in the kids education is wrong. we need parents going to more school board meetings demanding to know why the board leader is making in some places 200 to 300k and students have low test scores. parents need to get to know the teachersby getting off the lbj great society couch and getting to know the teachers. i know teachers that go to pta meetings and no parents are there. this is comparable to dems. not wanting to get a free photo id to vote. people have died for the right to vote and dems. say its too much of a hardship to get an id? in summation dems. view that throwing money at education is the answer is folly. the facts prove beyond any doubt that parents teacher participation is the answer.

Your reality of facts stinks and clearly shows you are clueless as to what makes up a fact, he is a clue saying the same lie over and over does not make it a fact. You are talking about a time period when democrats were the party of conservatives and republicans were the party of the liberals. That started changing soon after Teddy R was elected president. He ended up leaving the GOP when it started getting to conservative for him.

whomitmay, you admit that the dem. party was the party of slavery but its not anymore is amusing. dem. party will always be known as the party of slavery. you posted teddy r left the gop cause it was too conservitive. then why would mlk join the gop after teddy was gone. you make no sense. dem. party forced millions of blacks into slavery causing the civil war which cost hundreds of thousands of americans lives. then when the reps started pushing civil rights for blacks dems. said "we were kidding, we have always been for civil rights" lol you can try to weasel out of it but alas, the DEMOCRAT PARTY WILL ALWAYS BE KNOWN AS THE PARTY OF SLAVERY. dems. cannot lie or run away from their racist past.

To bad for you that what you say makes about as much sense as convicting someone for a crime that their great grand daddy committed. The GOP will always be known as the party that Crashed the economy 5 times.

dems. talk about the federal dept of educationit was signed into law by carter in 1979. hows it been working for you? dems. said it would raise test scores. in reality test scores have plummented. once again the fed. govt telling states how to educate is a massive failure. let the states decide their education process. dems. telling students they have the right to burn the american flag on school property but you cant pray on school property is 1 example. let local school boards decide on education, not some liberal dunce sitting behond a desk at the dept of education. dept. of education telling students they cant wear a tshirt with the american flag on it is another example. dems think the fed. govt. telling states how to educate is better than parents getting together with local school boards to set the agenda is insane. but alas, dems say throw more of our tax money away by having the fed. govt. run education is obviously by all accounts a massive failure. do any dems know that blacks once owned slaves? yes its true, some blacks in america owned other blacks and native americans as slaves. lol if you think im lying just google "blacks owned slaves". why hasnt this ever been taught by the liberal teaching profession? i told a dem this once and was called a liar. he went home and googled it and called me to apoligize. in summation its obvious the liberal teaching profession has an agenda and the fed dept of education by all accounts is a massive failure.

No it is the GOP that wastes tax dollars with their borrow and spend nonsense. As well as GWB's no child can get ahead if he is poor program that he passed off as no child left behind when reality is kids get screwed out of their education.

Comrade, 'Throwing money at education is not the answer'. The famous quote from Bill Bennett, ronnie rayguns, dept of Ed head. Was this not the same moron who said we need to cut the heads off of all drug dealers when he was names drug czar? And I have to laugh when I hear you 'intellectuals' use the 'more parents need to get involved with their kids education' theory. Do you not think they would if not for the fact that BOTH parents have to work, some with two jobs just to keep a roof over their head and food to eat? Damn you people DO live in a delusional world.

nice try john, saying parents cant give up 1 hour a month to inquire about their kids education is stunning. most teachers have no problem with parents calling them on the phone to discuss their kids performance on their off hours. democrats think the federal dept. of education will make sure their kids get a good education is a joke. by all accounts the fed. dept. of education is a massive failure. your thesis that parents need not get involved in their kids education boggles my mind. i call on all parents to become involved. sitting back and trusting the fed. govt. is obviously by all acounts folly.

Just don't ask Robme for a ride, he might strap you to the top of his car.

blacks have been voting for democrats for decades, how is that working out for them? as for racial divide it was al sharpton from msnbc that started race baiting by saying it was a white on black shooting while zimm. is hispanic. it was spike lee who gave out what he thought was zimms. address only to have a couple in their 70s to be terrorized by the left. black panthers put out a bounty on zimm. dead or alive. msnbc still refuses to report zimm. is a registered democrat who tutored black kids on weekends. black panthers put out a bounty and obama and his justice dept. is silent. obamas response was to rush to the microphone saying trevor looks like me was astounding. after #1fox news reported closeups of zimms. head at police station showed gashes backing up his claim did msnbc have to relent and show the closeups. now jesse and sharpton want a boycott of the town? a boycott would hurt the poor in the town the most. its clear to all the ones calling for violence are obama supporters. i say obama must come out and call for the left to stop calling for violence. by the way tyler perry admitted he broke the law and now is trying to call for more racial division cause he was pulled over. lol

Mika you really need to get your news from a different source other than Fox because you're really looking silly. Let everyone close to Zimmerman tell it, he was getting his head repeatedly bashed into the concrete ground, which if I remember correctly should bring him injuries severe enough to cause some form of brain damage and he's showing no sign of that. And while we're on the subject of Zimmerman, the one thing all of his apologists can never really give a clear answer to is this: if this fool was so threatened as he claimed, why the hell would he get out the safety of his car? Anyone who's truly feeling threatened to the point that he's in fear of his life is not going to leave the safety of a moving vehicle. As a matter of fact, let's say if actually happened as he claimed, he wouldn't have needed to feel threatened if he had followed the 911 dispatcher's instructions NOT to follow this kid, but he continued to do so anyway which is something else conservatives and any of Zimmerman's surrogates like to gloss over and get selective amnesia on. And we have the reports that the chief investigator from the Sanford Police Department wanted Zimmerman charged, but the state's attorney for that area intercepted the investigation on the first night and overruled that recommendation, meaning from that first night at least one police officer in that department wasn't buying Zimmerman's story. Nice try dude but you're quickly easing into the realm of the repugnant in this blind zeal to prove Republicans are right at all costs.

Go back to russia. You do better as a commie.

i see you and jajuan cant dispute my fact that only ones calling for violence are democrats. trying to change the subject makes you both look silly and juvinile. you disgust me. lmao still can stop laughing about tyler perry breaking the law and saying he was pulled over cause hes black,

IF you are in russia, keep your nose out of our politics. We don't tell you how to run your country. But since you're not, wake up and quit watch Fox lies. The blacks vote Democratic because of the right wing racists. You can't deny the drugster is racist. youi can't deny Hateful Hannity is racist. You can't deny Oreally is racist. Those are just a few.

show me a racist quote that oreilly or hannity has made? but i do remember larry odonnell making a racist quote to michael steele on pmsnbc. as for rush hes too far out for me. ive listened to him 2 or 3 times if he made a racist quote it wouldnt suprise me. now i want you to defend spike lee and the black panthers calling for violence in the zimmerman case. name 1 rep. that has called for violence?

Again you're looking silly. That whole Black Panther nonsense is fantasy cooked up by none other than Fox Noise to distract people from the fact that at best the Sanford Police botched the investigation and at worst may be now trying to cover up that they let a racially motivated murderer roam free from based on nothing more than his own word. And I frankly don't care if Zimmerman is White, Latino or green with purple polka dots. There is still probable cause to believe that he racially profiled this young man. If he's so innocent then let a trial be conducted to firm that up if prosecutors can't prove their case. The local chapter of the NAACP and others of reputable reputation calling for an arrest and trial to determined if there is evidence enough for a conviction have already gone on record denouncing any form of violence called upon by what FEW Black Panther morons have appeared to taint calls for a FAIRLY conducted trial to determine what justice may or may not be warranted. But of course Fox Noise doesn't report on that. Nice try but you're still just digging yourself a bigger hole to fall in and I see you still can't produce a credible reason why anyone who is supposedly in such fear of his life that he takes the life of another leaves the safety of his moving vehicle to confront the person allegedly the cause of that fear, especially given that fearful person was told not to pursue or follow the person who's supposedly such a threat. And that's ignoring the established fact that the alleged fearful person was carrying a 9mm weapon and outweighed the supposed threatening presence by almost 2 to 1.

Jajuan...

Ane what PROOF do you have of the "racially motivated murderer? Are you referring to the CNN tape that has now been judged to NOT include a racial slur? Or are you referring to the doctored tape of the 911 call that NBC has had to apologize for and fire the editor who "accidentally" produced it?

The grand jury comes out with their decision on Tuesday. If they indict, then the process of a trial can move forward. Until then, everyone just has to wait. A trial does not take place because some group wants it to, it takes place because of the fact that the Prosecuting Attorney believes that he has enough evidence to get a conviction. It isn't done as an exercise simply to appease the public whim.

Zimmerman was not in fear for his life until AFTER he was first attacked by Martin, according to his statement. If that is the case, then he is justified in his self defense. Once again, please listen to the tape..he was not told to "not follow" the suspect, he was told.."we don;t need you to do that". That is not an order to do so and Zimmerman had every legal right to get out of his car and walk through the neighborhood, just like Martin had the right to be there also.

He had a legal permit to carry the weapon and there is no evidence from any source that the weapon was drawn at any time prior to the time of the shooting.

Stormguy, you just proved the point I was making which is Zimmerman would not have had to had any alleged fear for his life if he had followed instructions from the 911 dispatcher NOT to follow the kid. That much is clear from it being played on NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and just about everywhere else outside the realm of Fox's spin on the story. And I see no one still has yet to give ONE credible reason why anyone leaves the safety of their vehicle to confront ANYONE that 911 emergency dispatchers tell them to STOP following. And nice try in yet AGAIN trying to gloss over and ignoring that detail. That in itself gives several Florida lawmakers who either sponsored or otherwise supported the state's Stand Your Ground Law to publicly state that the law isn't to be used in the manner Zimmerman is trying to apply it as a defense, and various former federal prosecutors have stated that even with that law on the books, the fact that Zimmerman left his car and ignored the dispatcher telling him 'we don't need you to do that' gives probable cause for arrest of Zimmerman along with start of preparations for a possible prosecution. They also state that the dispatchers words are understood to be an instruction to cease following Martin and let the local police do their jobs and handle the situation, so nice try on trying to play semantics.

jajuan, your saying the black panthers never called for a bou nty on zimm is a lie. lol ive seen them calling for a bounty dead or alive on multiple outlets. i see you have no problem with spike lee giving out what he thought was zimms address. this was obviously a call for violence, lol or maybe you think he wanted people sending them donations? zimm is a registered democrat who tutored black kids on weekends. you say he is racist, show me 1 example that suggests he is racist. you have already convicted him without all the facts being presented. i want a trial but you should have an open mind. if hes convicted i want the maximum sentence. nbc was caught editing the 911 tape, doesnt that concern you at all? nbc admitted the wrong doing but nobody was fired. as ive posted 3 times now. the only ones calling for violence are obama supporters and for the 3rd time you cant show 1 rep. calling for violence. you have a closed mind on this case but maybe others in here will agree with me. bol but i still cant stop laughing about tyler perry breaking the law then crying racism when hes pulled over.

Jajuan...

He was never told NOT to follow him. A national Dispatch industry magazine has stated the the 911 dispatcher in this case did NOT use words or terminology that he should have.

What evidence do you have that Zimmerman confronted him? None!

Judgements on this case have been made without all of the evidence being known and there being a large amount of misinformation out there regarding the series of events (NBC, CNN). Media outlets everywhere jumped all over this case in an attempt to capitalize on the sensationalism it could create. In the end, it will be up to the Grand Jury to make a decision on whether to indict him for any possible crime.

And still neither of you has given one credible reason he had to get out his car if he had enough of a concern for potential trouble that he took the step to call 911 in the first place. And I submit again, anyone who is concerned enough that another person is causing trouble is not going to leave the safety of his vehicle to confront that person himself when that alleged troublemaker has not confronted him unless he himself is looking for a problem. Now we can debate whether or not he was told not to follow Martin depending on if it's granted there wasn't an explicit 'do not follow' instruction is it still understood they did not want him continuing to follow since Zimmerman did respond 'okay'. But I still stand by if Zimmerman had enough of a concern that something was going on that he called 911 and he still takes it upon himself to confront Martin when it appears from what's heard in the 911 tape Martin had not confronted Zimmerman, then Zimmerman himself was looking for trouble. Now we can also sit back and fall into the argument Zimmerman had a right to walk through the neighborhood, but I'm going to respectfully submit that anyone who has as much respect for the police and law enforcement as much as Zimmerman states is going to say to himself, okay I thought I was helping by following this person to maybe make sure I can give them an accurate description of him if asked. So even though they didn't explicitly say don't follow, I'm still going to take a step back and respect them saying they don't need me doing that as an implied instruction to keep back so I don't possibly get in the way of them and the police doing their jobs. And Mika, nice try yet again dude because I said no such lie. I said what Black Panther morons have come forward calling for violence against Zimmerman have been denounced, something that Fox News in its slanted stance on this issue are not trying to report and in fact doing the opposite, and fanning that particular item into something more serious than it already is. You want to rebut me on the issue fine. Bring it with something credible and in an adult manner, which Stormguy at least had decency to do in his explanation of why he views the issue as he does by being able to say one reputable source gives this explanation and another gave that explanation of it, but don't try doing so by spinning my words into something that I did not say.

From information that has been released from various sources, it appears that when Zimmerman first observed Martin, it was while Martin was darting in between the condominiums in what is now known was an attempt to stay out of the rain. At some point, Martin turns and heads to an area on the opposite side of the building where Zimmerman could not see him. It is natural to think that if Zimmerman was truly concerned that Martin was contemplating some type of illegal activity, for him to follow him at a safe distance and observe his actions.

Speaking from personal experience in my own neighborhood within the last 60 days...if it were not for residents having done the EXACT same thing that Zimmerman did (with the exception of the shooting) two young crooks would have gotten away with a series of burglaries.

As even Larry74 admitted elsewhere on this topic, it takes police forever to show up, if they ever do. It is incumbent for neighbors to look out for neighbors.

Trayvon;s death is a tragic accident that was caused by a perfect storm of unfortunate circumstances. None of us truly know whether Zimmerman is guilty of innocent of any crime in this case. We are all speculating based on our own perspective. Whether or not we like it, the justice system that we have is what we have to trust. otherwise, we turn it over to groups like the NBPP or the KKK.

Is that the reason Mr. Perry was pissed or is it the way the cop talked to him for no reason at all? Yes Mr. Perry admitted he did an illegal turn and told the cop he thought he was being followed. But as usual the white cop answered in a negative way and said something to the effect "what's wrong with you"? The only thing I did not understand is did they make Mr. Perry get out of the car and search him and his car because after all the cops probably thought he was a drug dealer or something illegal. Funny how they knew who he was after a BLACK cop came on the scene. Then the apologies start. He was probably looking for understanding from the cops regardless of who he was but all he got was negative responses from the cop. He is a citizen of Atlanta and the US and he is suppose to get some help and understanding from law enforcement. Yep, this is where we are today with the good old dependable law enforcement officers of the United States of America. All African Americans are guilty of something until proven innocent. One more thing Mr. so-called ameripatriot Mr. Perry is a billionaire. He can probably buy you and the white cops that stop him. Guess that would piss you off for being owned by a Black man.

There's A LOT of assumptions you've made. The liberal media would be proud of you. Stick to the facts: Mr Perry, himself, admitted that he made an illegal left hand turn and for that he was pulled over. The cops did not recognize Mr. Perry and even if they did, NO celebrity should get special treatment. Those are the facts Gladys.

How can it be a liberal media when 87% of ALL media outlets our owned by conservatives?

I'm not sure where you get your #'s from. I agree that the # of radio stations that have conservative viewpoints dominate. However, the major newspapers nationwide and TV all are dominantly liberal. So please educate me on this 87%.

Gladys, to firm up your insight into how empty Gingrich's offer was to speak before the NAACP, I point out that he was given invitations to do so when he was still the Speaker of the House but flat out thumb his nose at the chance then and ignored the invitations.

as youre typing from the nurses station you better get back to your room. theyre coming back from break.

mika:Quick response! and I have had snapper comebacks from a bowl of Rice Krispies! I don't have to be clairvoyant to tell that your a tea bagger, On a one way street. Yet your just making one statement to try and cover your lack of knowledge with a one liner. I doubt you will ever be more than what you are today. And that's not saying much.