Arizona state Rep. Terri Proud (R-Tucson) advocated "limited government" before she said she wants government to force women to watch an abortion being performed before getting one.
Just when we thought the GOP war on women could not get more extreme, Arizona state Rep. Terri Proud (R-Tucson) writes that women should be forced to "watch an abortion being performed prior to having" one.
Proud wrote those words in an email response to a constituent who had emailed Proud (and other lawmakers) about her opposition to a bill that would ban abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy.
Here's Proud's (unedited) email:
"Personally I'd like to make a law that mandates a woman watch an abortion being performed prior to having a "surgical procedure". If it's not a life it shouldn't matter, if it doesn't harm a woman then she shouldn't care, and don't we want more transparency and education in the medical profession anyway? We demand it everywhere else.
Until the dead child can tell me that she/he does not feel any pain - I have no intentions of clearing the conscience of the living - I will be voting YES."
In an e-mail to Arizona Republic's Political Insider blog, Proud defended her statement, saying women should be aware of any surgical procedure "especially when a foreign object is extracting from a delicate organ."
Then Proud took to Facebook to blame the controversy on the Democrats.
"I always try to answer every email that I receive - friendly or hostile. I don’t apologize for emails I state are my personal opinion. I may not be cut out to be a politician, but I am cut out to be a Representative and it's sad that the left like to play ‘I gotcha’ games through emails while sitting in my office. Some legislators don’t even respond to emails for fear it’s just another ‘gotcha’ moment – thank a Democrat for that."
If Proud has her way, she'd go much further than even the most extreme bills regulating abortion and contraception already under consideration in the Arizona legislature.
Besides House Bill 2036 which bans most abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, there is House Bill 2625. That would allow Arizona employers the right to demand proof that employees were seeking contraceptives for non-sexual, non-reproductive purposes, such as hormone control or acne treatment.
Because Arizona is an at-will employment state, critics say this amounts to a bill giving employers license to fire their employees for using birth control and/or for refusing to disclose the reasons for using birth control (although we're told the 'Show Your Boss Your Whore Pills' bill is being amended to make it more politically acceptable. Good luck with that!).
And then there's House Bill 2800, which would strip Planned Parenthood of public funds for health-care services.
A war on women? Indeed. Just tell me it won't get any worse than this!
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What is this? a way to lay a heavier guilt trip on a women,? The fact that she may need and abortion is not enough. Come on!
Conservative lawmaker, Ms. Proud,
Expresses opinions out loud...
When women are saddest,
She would act like a sadist,
Making sure they are thoroughly cowed...
Ms. Proud wants the women who mocked her
To be shamed by any abortion doctor...
She wants government small,
But with power over all...
She'd turn government into your proctor!
David, This woman is a crazy! What gives her the right to speak for all women? These are her opinions and they should stay in her wee little brain.
Pam are you talking about Ms. Proud or Sandra Fluke?
Ms Proud. One law after another and this one is insane on all accounts. I am sick of politicians legislating our body's. To put it bluntly its none of there damn business. Sandra stands with all women ,Proud is an idiot!
when did Sandra claim to speak for ALL women....as I recall she just said that there many women who need birth control for medical reasons and that in many places contraception is not free or cheap
More women agree with sandra than ms proud
This is what you should see before having an abortion:
http://michaelclancy.com/
Is this real? Or a terrible hoax?
Please read again. I said Sandra stands with all women. And Proud is an idiot !!!!
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Why not have the lawmakers specially the GOP law makers and their base look into the 50s and 60s police records of pictures of bodies of young women who kill themselves by mistake while trying to abort a baby themselves. Both of them died. Why should it be the women to have the guilt trip. I have see many pictures of young women who did not want to face her parents or face the stigma of pregnancy before marriage. Those law makers just hate women. The men will always have all the sex they want and those who have no morals will have kids which they will not want to recognize as their own. How idiotic that would be.
@MD/MI, Can I use your comment? It is great!
Proud should be proud. Does she have any idea what she is doing. Does she think it will get the old Republican men to like her more. If the women of Arizona don't start speaking out, they are lost to the burka to come.
And the men. Do you really want to support and raise a dozen or so kids without any help with the money as your women are going to be pregnant all the time.
Get smart Arizona and let your voices for freedom ring. And if anyone say they are protecting the unborn. Baloney, they just want more souls for their future wars as they certainly do not care about the children living. Read when the man becomes a living soul. Genesis 2-7.
Help, it is the crazy farm in Arizona, and I live right next door.......I can't take the sight of blood.....what next if I need a surgery, I'm going to have to watch it done to someone else first......absolutely insane. This stupid young woman doesn't know a thing about real life. Who paid her to do this......Pleaseeeeeeeeeee
Thankful, I feel for you living so close to loony politicians. I don't know if its the heat, baked there brains, Maybe there brains were replaced with dust from the horrible dust storms. But that state and Texas are so out of control because of there leadership. This Ms Proud should have her name changed to Ms Shame. This reminds me of something out of Alfred Hitchcock.
Good idea. Make people having open-heart surgery watch one first. Make people having an appendectomy watch one first. Make men having a vasectomy watch one first.
And make people considering being a Republican watch one first.
That should take care of it.
Nicely said!!
Ed you DUMB ASS you just aired her commercial for free!
Name calling is never appropriate and negates any truth in your comment(s).
Wish I could assure you it won't get any worse than this, but that's not the way it works. Remember this is Arizona? Just when you think there's no possible way to get any more bizarre and weird, Arizona always comes forward to prove that theory wrong.
"You can't spell crazy without AZ."
Bingo!!!
Haddie Nuff-
I like your name.
Haddie Nuff, Haven't we all..I sure as hell have. This is getting more sickening , shameful, and crazy every week. Paul Ryan, for example, has to be some kind of mutant life form. I can't see half of these people as human any more!
Where's the humanity? Seriously, what are these people?
Could someone please explain to me how all these contraception/ abortion bans are supposed to help lead us to a limited or smaller government? I keep trying to see the connection, but maybe my eyes just aren't screwy enough or I haven't been drinking the correct Kool-Aid. I think it's funny (sad) that so many Republicans are campaigning on "limited government" and yet want to legislate IF I am allowed to take birth control pills, WHAT pills I am allowed to take, and WHAT I do with my body as pertains to family planning.
I find it absolutely appalling that Republican women are cowardly enough to jump on this hypocritical bandwagon and not stand up for their own rights, as well as the rights of their daughters and grand-daughters. Nothing says consent better than silence.
So sad that Americans view the Taliban as archaic, backwards thinking barbarians while following in their narrow-minded footsteps. Aren't we at war partly to introduce Democracy to other nations that have never had it before? So why are we adopting the laws of the regimes we have spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives to change?
It is right wing craziness to distract the left, and at the same time feed red meat to the far right. They love to try and have power over everyone. While they go about doing as they damn well please. They are trying to find any law that was passed by the left so we don't live in a civilized and caring world, and take us backwards into the dark ages of the past. Other than that there is no reasonable explanation.
Rachel (& Mom)- the conservatives I know aren't against birth control or abortion. They are only against the taxpayers paying for them! We are against most of the governmental handouts; what is so hypocritical about us not wanting the government to pay for contraception or abortions? Just askin'.
So says capt who has his handout for every dime he can get while whining that someone else might get more then him and that just aint fair.
whomitmay, if you can't back your cause with logic just attack the person asking the question. Its the liberal way.
Except in cases of rape, SEX is recreational (or as those crazy religous people think, for procreation), if you want to party, pay for it yourself. I have not heard one person say they didn't want you to party, NOT ONE, but I have heard the smart one say they didn't want to pay for your party.
If the government is going to pay for recreation then I think it should pay for me to take one less vacation then we the taxes payers are paying the President and his family to take. Most people can only afford one vacation a year, so I say the government should pay for my additional vacations. Sounds just as logical as providing free rubbers.
Hey, LIBS!!! why is free contraception only women's health. Can't a man get STDs? Is he not responsible for his actions? Liberal men must be losers, because a conservative man takes care of his woman and doesn't need the government to make up for his inadequacies.
I suppose it's a good thing that tax payer dollars don't go to abortion or birth control as it stands right now and that no one has seriously tried to change that
more importantly how does forcing a probing ultrasound pay for abortion or birth control? how does that shrink the size of government? the GOP should stop pretending it wants smaller government
Capt.
I've ask you several times, Who the hell is asking you to pay for a damn thing? It's called insurance. People BUY an insurance policy. So, what your saying is if a woman ask that insurance co. to pay for a Rx, she asking you to pay for it. BS. We buy insurance at an outlandish price. We should have the right to get something out of it.
Asprin between the knees I guess
Larry, Fluke was asking for the taxpayers to pay, through the "Affordable Care Act." As a conservative, I don't care if you use birth control or get an abortion, just don't ask me to pay for it! She couldn't get it through her insurance because Obama allowed her Jesuit School's insurance to opt out. Thanks for askin'.
Do you have the same thoughts about paying for vasectomies & viagra, even circumcision? What is good for the goose is good for the gander!
capt only worries about others getting something not him getting. He just yacks away and never listens unless its Glen Beck or Rush saying it then capt drools on himself and starts foaming at the mouth while repeating what his idols said.
Yes Jane, I don't think the taxpayers should pay for, "vasectomies & viagra, even circumcision." I agree, "What is good for the goose is good for the gander!" Thanks!
So shall we take this as an admission that this framing the issue as a case of religious freedom like many on the right claim is b......bogus.........?????
Kapt Klutz, ever heard of the hyde amendment? 'No government handouts', Kapt are you not 'double dipping', drawing two retirements, one from the military and one for teaching?
Yes JiT, the "hyde amendment" is stopping me from getting my 3rd retirement that I deserve, SS. It's just not fair, I have paid into SS most of my life, and now don't get to collect from it! Just sayin'.
CC (6.12) - call it what you want, I think of it as a conservative issue, not necessarily religious. I don't want to pay for others contraception (or any other sex oriented) services either way, through my insurance premiums or taxes.
Seeing as this is about how I want my tax dollars used then all conservatives are here by banned from receiving any aid from the government because after all they are the ones whining about others using the government services provided then they should set an example to others about how to live without government aid and how others should pull themselves up by their boot straps then put up or shut up conservatives. You talk the talk well its time to walk the walk capt, you claim you are against government handouts then its high time you live by your words don't you agree, after all you say government handouts makes people lazy so get off your fat lazy behind and live without your government handouts.
Well you're in luck because in reality they aren't.....buy you live in imagination land.....so.......
well that's rather selfish don't you think, that's rhetoric by the way I really don't care what you think.........ever heard of means testing.....it's that thing every candidate and serious thinking person out there plans to do to save the program
Kapt klutz once again you show how clueless you are. The Hyde amendment was an amendment attatched to the abortion rights law which makes it ILLEGAL for the goverment to fund abortions. So you and your ill informed buddy can relax. By the way, if you have a retirement plan at your work, you get what sum is greater, your retirement wages or SS. You do not get both. But you are milking the system for two already and you want a third. Damn, you teabaggers make an excellect hypocrites.
Capt, if you paid into SS, retired from the service, retired from teaching, then you earned 3 retirement incomes. I think what people here are missing is....how do you earn an abortion?? BTW, thank you for your service to our country. <<HUGS>>
chemdmd,
this is just another example of how repubs don't "trust" women to make decisions for THEMSELVES. i have heard white republican men in washington say that, "women are having ONLY 2.5 children per woman".
why do you all assume that women want the pill to party?
when we hear rick santorum say that contraception has allowed women to do things "in the sexual realm that are unatural", and that he would make birth control illegal, and when we hear phrases from the repubs in washington that TELL US THEY WANT TO OUTLAW birth control, I THINK WE SHOULD BELIEVE THEM.
and whether or not you and capt. believe that like women, men should not have access to viagra or vasecteomies, you believing it does not change the fact that men DO HAVE access to these things through insurance, even insurance COVERED BY THE CATHOLIC church. i haven't heard you all complaining about that, even though you must feel that you are paying for men's sexual partying, as well, RIGHT?
in regard to women's health care, we have always been discriminated against, just like in the real world.
BOYS WILL BOYS, right?
women who use birth control are better able to pull themselves out of poverty by controlling the number of children they have, and can better care for children they might already have.
for someone who cannot get pregnant, carry a baby to term, and go through a painful delivery, you all sure have alot to say about SOMETHING YOU HAVE NEVER DONE, OR EVER WILL BE ABLE TO DO.
She sure sounds good to me! I did miss the part about abortions, but her ideas on government are right on! Terri should be proud!
I must agree with Chris on the abortion viewing. Women should be able to get an abortion without all the stupid extra procedures. Good job, Chris, for pointing out the absurd by being absurd!
And you thought you had it all sewn up.
The real Chris......forget it, I'll get thrown off the vine and he's not worth it.
Hey Chris & India, we all have our opinions. Do you support required watching of abortions? Don't you think that is stupid too? How can a real conservative advocate such nonsense! Just askin'.
How can a conservative whine about government handouts and collect government handouts? I mean really capt you don't set a very good example collect government handouts while telling everyone else should live without government handouts or does that only apply to people other then you which makes you a hypocrite.
A retirement is not a government handout. He earned that retirement, and there is a big difference.
Thanks monkeywings: maybe if he hears that there is a difference in government handouts and retirements, maybe he will understand. Otherwise he will continue to make himself look stupid, especially when he attempts to impugn my intelligence!
The GOP is so bankrupt in ideas that they have to go back, way back, to an old warhorse like this "issue." Pathetic. GOP keep it up with your garbage on war with women it's going to cost you in November count on it
The GOP has begun to implode from its own extremism. Stand down, Democrats. Stand down. They may get even crazier in trying to outdo one another, to see who can lean farthest to the right-wing base. Democrats and Independents, just stand down and watch them lean so far to the right that they fall off their flat Earth. I've seen enough to count on it.
Obama 2012, The intelligent choice.
India, The Republican party has became a virus and will by its own mouth and hand destroy its self. They make no since and your right there on ego trip. Like that crazy Ryan and his over haul 02 of Medicare. Insanity has taken them over. This bill that woman wants to pass should have many a law suits against her for abuse. She is physically inducing her hate on these women and I hope someone holds her accountable. Her heart is made of stone. These women do not need this. I am so disgusted by all we have seen unfold this past year !
India these nuts don't get it that they are blowing themselves up !!!!!!and we can just sit back for a little awhile and watch the show unfold !!!!!!!
The Republican party is evil they to take America back to the dark ages where peoplesl have no rights and no nothing
Kutlass, and Pam52, and Steve, The Ryan plan is so unbearably bad that the Catholic heirarchy are coming out and calling it cruel and immoral. Romney says he likes it and will implement it. I guess he would; it will lower HIS already low taxes on the backs of seniors and the working poor and will effectively destroy the middle class. WHA...?!? Why???? It will RAISE the deficit MORE, on top of all the other harm it will do!
This GOP has set out, for some reason, to impose big government, higher deficits, increased military spending, eliminating good safety nets, like medicare, increasing tax breaks for the wealthy, continuing to subsidize big oil companies, and take away planned parenthood which will hurt thousands of women. And there are still people out there SUPPORTING them!!! My God. Has half of America gone deaf, dumb, and crazy? WTF?
Somebody wake me up.....this has to be a nightmare...maybe it was the pickles? I ate two dill pickles....
OBAMA, Get out there and help us before it's too late!!!
OK, so she says "individuals make better decisions that the government". Agreed. Then why do Repubs say that, then go ahead and try to legislate other people's decisions? Or is it just women? Are we just too scatterbrained to possibly come up with our own decisions on matters of our own bodies?
Just what decisions are the Repubs trying to make? The Repubs are standing up for the taxpayers in this country! We don't want to pay for you "pills" and abortions. Why do you think the we should?
captain i don't want to pay for needless wars but that didn't stop GWB from starting 2 wars.
Whether or not women can have an abortion, forcing them to have other procedures like an ultrasound or trans-vaginal ultrasound before the government will allow her to have that legal procedure(abortion)
The personhood amendments which are written in a manner which would clearly ban IUD's and hormonal aka the most common form of birth control
If government makes worse decisions than people why is the government of Arizona deciding women need to watch an abortion before having one. Capt I'm surprised why you can't see the obvious hypocrisy in that.....so these are just some of choices republican politicians think that they need to make for women. This has nothing to do with paying for anything, no one is paying for any birth control....I'm curious where you invented that as a part of this topic
This thread has nothing to do with paying for any birth control or contraception you deny that yet you know that since the topic of this is rather obvious. So unless you'd like to explain how forcing a women to watch an abortion before having one would force tax payers to pay for abortion or contraception
Goddess why are indulging capt as if this connection he trying to draw between "paying for your pills and abortion" is logical or legitimate??
Lets see... against birth control ... against abortion. How do people with conflicting ideologies even drive a car?
Well remember these are the same people who say cutting 1/2 a billion out of spending while giving away 3 trillion more in tax cuts to the wealthy will reduce the deficit. Do you really believe that these people ever made it past the 3rd grade?
Certainly goes over you heads doesn't it, whom & fore hey! No one is, "against birth control (and/or) against abortion." Who is against both? Can you read and think for yourselves?
Ask you conservative friends. If you don't have any, listen to Rush Limbaugh. He is an excellent example of a conservative. He has no problem with abortion or birth control.
We just don't want to pay for yours! Try to concentrate! Conservatives use birth control and get abortions, but they pay for it themselves! Just sayin'!
Sorry capt projection won't save you. I mean really that you repeat Rush and Glen doesn't mean other people can't think for themselves it just means you have problems thinking for yourself and rely on the uneducated radio people to tell you how to think. So capt ready to face reality or are you going to listen to the insane rantings of mad men like Rush, Ann, Glen and Ronnie some more, just asking. I mean really capt you want us to believe that you were a school teacher when you think you can reduce deficits by giving away 3 trillion dollars just shows you can't do 3rd grade math.
whomitmay.......AAAAHHHHHHHHHH....I don't think I can take much more...
just sayin'!
What are you talking about, whom? Who is advocating giving away $3 trillion? And what do you have against Rush, Glen, Ann, and Ronnie? These advocate smaller, less costly government, like the kind we have it Texas! Where people are free to do what they want!
What is India's problem? Does she need help? She needs to stop taking whatever is botherin' her!
See capt that is the problem with your idols you listen to them and you don't even know what the GOP budget bill says. The GOP bill calls for 500 billion in spending cuts then it calls for a 3 trillion dollar tax give away to the wealthy and claims that will reduce the deficit. But as any 3rd grader can tell you if you have a 15 trillion dollar deficit and you take away 500 billion that leaves you with 14.5 trillion deficit that you then give away 3 trillion brings the deficit to 17.5 trillion so instead of reducing the deficit it increases the deficit. Gee capt I thought you were a school teacher and really that you can't figure out simple math either says you are incompetent or your misrepresenting your abilities.
Why "or"? Can't he do both?
Or all of the above. capt is fun he spins so much that often he is for things he is against then realizes what he said and tries to back talk his way out. Mittens is perfect for capt they are 2 peas in a pod.
Well, it's America. Sad to see that so many people base their political beliefs on what rush and fox news tells them. You believe what you like Capt., but if too many people base their votes on the misinformation of your sources this country will certainly fall to ruin.
Holy Crap!!! Abortion is legal - get over it! Rowe v. Wade settled the issue decades ago. I'm so sick of so called small government people insisting on invading my personal life. Grow the hell up Terri Proud, and all you empty-headed men who think you have the right to say ANYTHING on the subject. For all you stupid men, listen up - it is entirely a woman's issue. Didn't your mama ever tell you you can't always get what you want? My opinion of you, Terri Proud, is that you're nothing more than a mean-spirited, cruel witch.
There is another word besides witch that comes to mind but I will not stoop that low and use that word on these boards.
The plot, actually, is to make so many offensive laws that it lands them in court, then fight it all the way to the Supreme Court, where they hope to overturn Roe v Wade, with their right-wing activist judges.
Which is why no one has taken them to court yet. They're trying to avoid that. So the right (oxymoron) keeps making more and more absurd laws to try and force it.
The real Chris, I'm ashamed I didn't think of that myself. That could be the plan.
They have all their ducks in a row on the Supremely right court.
And abortion is still legal, isn't it! Have I missed somethin'?
Yes.
Oh, yes.
The party of smaller Govt. (GOP) sounds like to me they want POWER OVER all the people expect themselves!!!!! Like War on Women, Screwing Medicare, Screwing the MIDDLE CLASS!!!!!! But when It comes to the Rich and Ultra Stinking RICH they bend over backwards and shower them with TAX BREAKS GALORE!!!!!!! Like Paul Ryan's budget sounds likes to me that they don't think that their sh*t don't stink!!!!!!!!and should be given everything to them on a gold and silver platters and should not have to pay their fairshare!!!! AND be feed grapes and fanned by the slaves!!!!!!!!!
Kutlass, You sure nailed them to the wall ! If they gain control America will be destroyed and only they at the top will prosper. The republican party are the great whites who are circling us the middle class. They are blood thirsty for power and control. The laws they roll out the war on women is nation wide. only hope people are listing and remember what a Republican politician tells you , believe just the opposite and you will be close to the truth.
I think if they do gain control we will suffer the pain beyond pain we will be eating the crumbs from the master tables!!!!!!!!!!!! If we get any thing at all !!!!!! I don't trust Romney I see something Very Sinster in Him everytime I see pictures or video of Him !!!!!!!!!
Kutlass , I so agree. The man is so out of touch. I believe he will escalate war and many young men will be as it was in Vietnam. There is an undercurrent or tow we have to get handle on. The radical agenda they want to enforce on us is very unsettling. I watched Ryan last night what a power hungry man. Sanatorium would turn The United States into his own Vatican and enforce his beliefs on us all. The Republican candidates are very disturbing !!!
The good thing is Sanatorium doesn't have a chance. His delegate count might make him more influential in his party, however.
Thereal Chris, It'll be Romney. The Ryan plan would come with all or any of these crazy, greedy, hateful sons....candidates. We are absolutely FINISHED if any of them win. Our country will literally become unrecognizable. This election will make America or break America.
The income inequality as it stands even NOW is worse than ancient Rome.
Why are they doing this? Why? Is there some secret, sinister plot we're missing? I'm actually beginning to wonder! I've never felt so confused or frightened in all my years in this country.
You guys need to study a little history, and you can see what is happening. Comments like -
- shows an ignorance of ancient history. The Roman government started its decline when the government went broke trying to provide services for the poor. Sounds like what is currently going on in the Obama administration.
Kutlass, the Ryan plan would reduce government and government power, not increase it! Have you looked at it, or just relied on the liberal spin? Just askin'.
Pam, conservatives advocate less government intrusion into personal lives, not more! Judging from what Obama promised and then what he has done, our -
Remember, it was a Democrat that escalated Vietnam (LBJ, using the "Gulf of Tonkin" excuse) and a Republican (Nixon) ended it. I do agree -
Are so many people on the dole (as Chris seems to think I am), that they think they have to vote to bankrupt the country by voting Democrat, just to keep their piece of the pie? Just askin'!
And capt rewrite once again shows his lack of knowledge on history. It was not the poor who caused Romes down fall it was its expansions of its borders, it's never ending wars with conquered lands and the greed of Romes wealthy that collapsed Rome. Funny capt is on the dole whining about others on the government dole again. Well capt like I keep telling you when you refuse to give up your government handout that gives you no right to talk about others doing what you are doing.
You are still not listening, whom. You need to stop demeaning those who take welfare. Of course they will take it; my problem is with those who give it out. Think before you continue you condemning the recipients of those programs! Listen for once!
Stop criticizing the Native Americans, they are the victims. My problem is with the liberals that advocate giving them the money!
Why should I give up my pensions, just because you are too stupid see how wasteful you are by bankrupting the government giving out these overly generous benefits?
Why should I love the unions that got them for me? Those benefits are destroying our economy! Don't you care about our country and its prosperity, or is it just politics for you?
BTW, Rome's expansion was not its demise, greed and corruption destroyed the economy! Look it up! Get some understandin'!
Spin away capt but we know for a fact that you have repeatedly said and even say in this post that government handouts are evil yet you defend your right to have government handouts. And no the only way I would be stupid is if I believed you and your circular firing squad logic you are displaying once again. Whats destroying this country are tax cuts to the wealthy as well as using tax dollars to off shore our industrial jobs. But capt you just said in the post above that it was Rome spending on poor that destroyed Rome. Like I stated spin spin spin but failure to understand the simplest things.
I've never said you were on the dole, Crappy. That's whom. As usual, he's right, and you're wrong.
Chris but capt is consistent on being wrong, sadly that is the only thing he has any consistency on.
Handshake.
Sorry Chris, I get you and whom mixed up. I do enjoy the friendly bantering between us and are not trying to insult either by name switchin'.
BTW Chris, please explain, "As usual, he's right, and you're wrong." On what has whom been right? On his silly names? On Rome's demise? Just askin'.
Captain, I'm asking you nicely, "Please go away."
You make people want to rip their hair out. You call what you do, "friendly bantering", and say you enjoy it. Well, it's not friendly and we don't.
Your twist even history to suit your idiotic ideas. I read The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire. As usual, you're WRONG. Chris, whomitmay, and I are right. You are wrong.
"Pretty please?" Just askin'.....I can beg...if I thought it would work, but you enjoy it so much you'll never stop. What a strange way to enjoy oneself.
At the very least, stop quoting me and twisting what I say. Stop trolling me, Captain. Please.
You call what you do "enjoyable, friendly bantering." That's not how others see it. It seems a strange way to enjoy oneself.
Actually India capt makes me laugh, all he is are internet brags and bluster with no substance. It is rather amusing to see capt repeating nonsense like he is a Glen Beck or Rush wannabe or believes he is making a point. Reality all people like capt are really doing is showing how gullible they are and how badly they need people like Rush and Beck to tell them what to think.
Abortion is legal, Roe V. Wade sealed that deal. As it stands now, and has stood even with funding to Planned Parenthood NOT ONE DOLLAR went towards abortions that was part of the deal, so if you think otherwise learn to read. Next, birth control, as a man I, under most insurances, can get coverage for viagra and a vasectomy. Women overall already make only 75-77 cents per dollar a man makes and they are charged nearly double what man pays for insurance. The Affordable Care Act address the second part, making sure you can't be charged more for insurance because of a pre existing condition like being a woman! As far as the whole "Small government" angle this is just another case of pure lies, they would deregulate business, deregulate banking, allow pollution to continue unchecked, all in search of the all mighty dollar, not the so call "almighty god." They would then have us believe that smaller government includes, control over who, when, why, and how people have sex, then they would carry that on into teaching beliefs in schools rather than FACTS so everyone can get dumber and we can't compete globally. So hey, if you want your great grandchildren living in an overpopulated, wasteland, third world country go ahead and vote Republican.
While watching Hardball, a Republican congresslady was trying to make a point that the Democrats were trying to scare women into thinking Republicans are the evil ones and keeping the war on women issue alive will take voters minds off the main issue of jobs, but it is always the States that are controled by republicans that are passing laws that controls a womans private life. Go figure.
I saw her too, Carolyn Maloney Rodgers, she's the one that is always standing with Cantor behind Boehner, everytime Boehner is lying to the camera. She's back there smiling like every word is true. But she knows what she was telling Chris was a load of BS because she kept stumbling over her words. I would have loved to have been able to b*%th slap her. She didn't tell the truth about anything! But Chris kept holding her feet to the fire! How can these Rep women turn on their own gender like that??
I didn't have to watch a hysterectomy before I had one of those so I think this legislator has seriously gone over the edge. Small government my ass!
This woman,Terri Proud must be a F------ nut case ! But thats nothing new with the Republi-cons !
Arizona is crazy! I would never take a vacation there, the chance of being shot would be too great. The right makes it seem like a communist state.
Terri Proud is an ill-informed child. She's been fed a steady diet of lies for so long from the Repubs she doesn't have any idea what the truth is. She will find out one of these days if the R's get total control over us. God forbid!
I think this has potential if expanded to cover other areas.
1. All Senators and Representatives should be forced to view - in person - not via tape - the opened body bags of our deceased service men and women - every time a plane lands.
2. All citizens of voting age should view a before and after tape. Child before a 500lb. bomb - child after a 500lb. bomb. (Oh but that's different - we don't intend to kill them - true - but their deaths are statistically predictable - even before conflict begins. If you are of voting age and did not protest the war - I admit that I lacked the courage to - you and I are responsible for their deaths.
I admire those few people who are against abortion, against war and against the death penalty. I remember a conversation with a woman who was quite clear that she considered abortion to be murder. Out of curiosity I asked her if she was against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where innocent young children were being killed (as collateral damage). She had no problem with their deaths since they were born into Muslim families. "This way", she said, "they will go to heaven instead of hell."
In 2003 June 4th - Larry King discussed the death penalty with Bob Jones (Bob Jones University). Dr. Jones stated that he believed in the death penalty because it was the penalty specified in the Scriptures. When given the probability that innocent people are sometimes executed he still said he believed in the death penalty - " I don't see how the fact that some mistakes are made in the justice system does away with the fact that the Bible clearly teaches that god has ordained the death penalty."
These answers actually made sense to these people.
Republicans hate the Affordable Care Act because they claim it places the government between a patient and their doctor. Then state by state they are passing laws to put a politician between a patient and their doctor. They are so ignorant they don't even realize the conflict of interest making them all hypocrits.
I decided in 2010 to NEVER vote for another Republican on any level of government again in my lifetime. Their ignorant, greedy, useless, hateful, thought process should give all people with a working brain a reason to remove all of them from office before they completely destroy our country.
The War on Women is going to bite them in the a$$ in 2012. We are not going backwards and will not tolerate ignorance no matter what their justification for it may be. Only idiots would not want insurance companies to pay for birth control, while proudly backing Viagra and the like being covered, and at the same time saying they want to cut welfare. Republicans need a brain scan before being allowed to vote.
You guys are so funny! Why do you think conservatives are against birth control? Just askin'.
Here you go Capt -"Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill also makes it easier for Arizona employers to fire a woman for using birth control to prevent pregnancy despite the employer’s moral objection.Majority Whip Debbie Lesko (R-Glendale), sponsored the bill."
Tea you have to listen to Rush to get capt's opinion.
I'm guessing Rush doesn't discuss bills like these that his party sponsors. There answer is no abortion but no birth control. No sex for you either unless it's from having a wide stance in the men's room.
Hey TPR4 - Rush has discussed it, and has nothing against women taking birth control. A lot of people here that don't listen seem to think differently, but that just shows their reliance on liberal spin.
Rush has no problem with women using birth control (or getting abortions for that matter). Remember he is a conservative, and conservatives are for a smaller, less intrusive government! Smaller government means more personal freedom.
whom - you know, but don't seem to understand, I am a conservative independent (most closely aligned to the Tea Party). Try to concentrate, that means neither major party. No matter how many times I tell you, and post positions that would indicate it, you cannot seem to understand. That's all I got to say 'bout that.
TPR4 (21.1) - as a conservative, I am against mandated services. The government has no business getting between the citizen and their service decisions. I would like to buy insurance that does not include contraception medication because I believe those that want birth control should pay for it (except as needed for medical conditions not related to birth control). Can you understand that? Just askin'.
capt you are no more independent then Reagan was. No matter how many times you deny it your posts scream tea bag republican.
CAPT-"as a conservative, I am against mandated services. The government has no business getting between the citizen and their service decisions. I would like to buy insurance that does not include contraception medication because I believe those that want birth control should pay for it (except as needed for medical conditions not related to birth control). Can you understand that? Just askin'. - Who said anything about government services? The Arizona bill talks about insurance that you buy through your employer, like just about every working American does. So you're OK with your limited government telling women who work and pay for their healthcare being told that if their birth control is covered by their insurance they have to prove to their employer it's not for birth control? I love that your limited government only applies to employers and not working people. We're talking about workplace health insurance, can you understand that?
Yes TPR4 - I do! That's why I said, "I would like to buy insurance that does not include contraception medication." If someone wants contraception medication covered, they should pay for it. I don't like government mandates. That's all I sayin'.
Ms. Proud is nuts just like the rest of the GOP. They would run this United States like Hitler tired to do if kept or voted in office again this time. I say get rid of the lot so safty for women will mean something once again..
Just how is the GOP like Hitler, Lori? They stand for less government, Hitler (and the Democrats here) advocate more government power. Obama is a great example of a leader demanding more government control, and less personal freedom (while using your "safety net" to justify his taking power).
soiuxs (23) - I do agree the required video watching is more than stupid, it is scary! An otherwise conservative legislator would advocate such an intrusion on personal freedom! Very hypocritical! Just my opinion, and I'm stickin' with it!
Wrong again capt smaller government is a talking point now the facts are the GOP has given the US bigger government with more restrictions every since Nixon declared his Law and order platform.
CAPT-"Just how is the GOP like Hitler, Lori?"
Key elements of the Nazi ideology
Sounds like the GOP national strategy to me.
Tea party republicans keep saying they're for smaller government but then say states can pass the laws if they want to. Why is big state government preferred by tea party republicans? I think they just see that they can take advantage of state governments more easily the country as a whole. Look at the bills ALEC feeds their lackeys in state government. Capt, you'll have to do a little more than listen to rush to get the facts.
Facts are on my side in this one, forehey. What bills does ALEC feed their lackeys? Someone needs more facts!
TPR4 - thanks for the great expose of Obama's policies. Starting with -
haven't you seen the racism growing since Obama took office? Not all apply, but he's further along the path than Hitler was at this time in his career! How about -
Let's see, he has crushed and taken over the Mortgage industry. He is strangling the Banking, Auto, Insurance, Energy, and (most importantly for real control) the Healthcare industries. You have heard of the NDAA, haven't you?
Remembering the conservatives are known for smaller government (ie. Ryan budget plan), what parallels do you see with the GOP from you list? Just askin'.
Except you wouldn't know what a fact was capt here is your first clue telling a lie more then 3 times does not change the lie to a fact, no matter how many times you lie without evidence or proof it remains a lie.
Well capt -Racism- Who's party supporters have images of the president in the likeness of a monkey? Who's party supporters spit on black congressmen as they went to vote. Anti-Marxism, Anti-Communism, Anti-Bolshevism-Who's party supporters call the other side marxists and communists, sounds pretty anti to me. The rejection of democracy, with as a consequence the ending the existence of political parties, labour unions, and free press.-Who's parties supporters have waged war on labor unions and wish there was only one political party. Related to Fascism- Here is a definition of fascism from a history of western civilization text. These kind of books filled with facts are found in libraries and universities throughout the country, you guys call them "liberal rags" because you don't like facts.Fascism: modern political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity. Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of fascism, attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths. As a result, fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence.8
To Ms Proud: Have you lost your tiny mind? Let me get this straight, a woman having an abortion, would have to let other women,strangers, observe her having an abortion . Really? Like a side show? How many groups would you run through the operating room? Will you charge for those watching?Lets pray Ms Perfect that your grip on your aspirin never fails, 'cause I'd like a front row seat to YOUR procedure. Shame on you for calling yourself a woman
Beyond the abortion debate is what happens after the woman has the baby. Most live in poverty since they are young and not in the work force and lack benefits. What's amazing to me is that all these god fearing people really don't care about that aspect of the argument, and you never here this issue come up in any debate.It's also interesting that the 1st thing that Republicans want to cut is programs that support these young mothers. I never here evangelicals say "hey we got this young women to not have an abortion, now we have to get support for her and the baby! So we really are only talking about the self righteous part of the debate.
elections have consequences and the majority rules - time to stop complaining if you do not agree with the way things are going - step up and run for office
And we get a nonsense post. Step up and run for office, well yeah if you are wealthy enough to do that it would work. Stop complaining really that is your advise just ignore what politicians are doing and just sit back and say nothing, yep works well for politicians but for the voting tax payer it doesn't do a thing. So we are supposed to just remain silent while politicians decide whats good for us. There are things people can do without running for office and they are doing it by getting involved in their communities, writing the people they elected and voicing their opinions.
No whom, only conservatives are, "supposed to just remain silent while politicians (and liberals) decide whats good for us." If a prominent voice, like Rush, speaks up and says something, a lot of people on this blog spot seem to want to hush him up!
Terri seem to have taken your advice, and many people sure appreciate her!
No capt conservatives should remain silent because it is better to remain silent so people only think you are fools rather then opening your mouths and proving without a shadow of a doubt that you are in fact fools. That it was conservative beliefs and ideals that almost caused the country to collapse into a second depression using the same exact formula Hoover had in place in 1929 just shows how foolish conservatives are.