Howard Dean, former Democratic National Committee Chairman, former presidential candidate and the founder of Democracy for America, former U.S. Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) and Joan Walsh, Salon’s Editor at Large, discuss the GOP establishment assault on presidential frontrunner Newt Gingrich.
Col. Jack Jacobs, (Ret.), MSNBC Military Analyst, on Donald Trump's refusal to give President Obama credit for taking out bin Laden.
Ben Jealous, President and CEO of the NAACP, and U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) on the "emergency" takeover of some Michigan cities. Is Detroit next?
Lizz Winstead, comedian and co-creator of “The Daily Show,” and Mike Papantonio, host of "The Ring of Fire" radio show, on Rick Perry's latest gaffe(s).
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Ed great line up tonight. Looking forward to Col. Jack Jacobs nailing trump to the wall !
Where is the Justice Dept on the crap that is going on in Michigan? It is against the Constitution, and it is a dictorship. Not allowed in our country. Why is this governor allowed to get away with what he is doing. That is the exact same thing that brings protestors out in bunches in other countries. How far do we have to fall before our government stands up for our country.
Betty == We Will Fall Into The Abyss As Long As These re=baggers are in power !!! Commies = Ani-Americans They Are !!!!!! Want to take this country Back To 1700 ad !!! Control = Total Control = World Domination Is Their Goal !!!!!!!! To Create Poverty = Then ;; To Re-Create Slavery !!! That;; Is ; The Goal of the Disgustingly Wealthy !!!!! So As They Can Reap Everything !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you seriously attempting to call the Tea Party "Communists"?!?!?!?!?!?
If so, do you even know what Communism is? Just asking due to the contradictory nature of the rhetoric in your post.
Paul when you go against the Constitution and sign the Grover Norquist and follow ALEC you are a communist period.
Palm, you obviously need to be educated on the definition of Communism, and you need to read the Constitution.
Communism is an extreme leftist concept politically, Grover Norquist leans to the right politically.
Your ignorance is extremely obvious, and it's nearly ubiquitous on both sides, unfortunately.
paul,
i must admit, it is unusual for someone here to call the tea baggers communist. but we hear it from the baggers (you all) every day, all day long.
i wish that the republicans/baggers who love to throw words like communist, marxists, socialism at the democratic party, and at President Obama especially, would do some research on the communism that exists today in korea and china.
totalitarian leaders ran on communism but never put it into place. they ran on "communism" to get into power, and then when they got into power they became DICTATORS. what we see in countries that we refer to as "communist" today, are not truly communist countries.
now, i am not saying that communism is good or bad. but, based on what i KNOW TO BE TRUE about COMMUNISM, i disagree with those of you who come here and throw slurs at the democratic party and at our President, by saying he is a socialist, and a communist, when he is not.
i would also suggest that you verify facts on what the baggers have called THE SOCIALIST AGENDA of all time, health care reform. verify please that nixon and H.W. bush were two of the very first republicans who supported the idea of the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. in the 80's they used the individual mandate to counter teddy kennedy's solution to health care, "single payer". they also put it on the table again in the 90's to counter Clinton's health care reform.
the individual mandate fits the republican parties need to get rid of free loaders and to make sure the insurance companies get their fair share. President Obama put the individual mandate on the table to try to get republicans on board with health care reform. what is now vilified by the bagger/repubs was a REPUBLICAN IDEA, and strongly supported by repubs until President Obama put it on the table. the repubs/baggers are so fill with unabashed hatred for this president, that they can deny an idea (individual mandate) of theirs, one that was strongly supported by repubs, and used to counter democratic health care reforms. the repubs/baggers are unembarassable in their hatred for this president, and the tactics they are using to make him a one term president (primary goal, mitch mcconnell).
why is the individual mandate a good idea, a constitutional idea, when the republicans have it as "their" idea, but is "socialism" and unconstitutional when a democrat is in office. please explain.
lets also take a brief look at voter suppression since you are slackjawed at the mere mention that the baggers might be communists.
indeed the baggers do not fall under the true meaning of the word "communist". the repub/baggers fall under the idea of a totalitarian gov't, trying to regulate birth control and abortion, trying to regulate civil rights for gays, and trying to suppress voting for minorities. the repubs want the power at the top, where just a few benefit, and where they get to tell everybody else what to do.
do YOU even know what communism is? just asking due to the contradictory nature of the ignorant rhetoric in your post.
Suzette, please allow me to address your points in order:
1. The group is known as the "Tea Party" after a famous historical American event, referring to it with your obvious disdain is a display of extreme bias an ignorance.
2. The Democratic Party admittedly leans to the left politically, this is in the direction of Socialism and further to Communism. They are referred to in such ways for the same reason many refer to Republicans as Fascists, deal with it.
3. Korea consists of two separate nations, North and South, my guess is you mean North Korea, although Socialism and/or Communism in their true forms are not possible on such scales due to several factors.
4. Totalitarianism that you refer to is the actual result of so called Socialism/Communism when implemented on a grand scale.
5. I merely believe Obama to be extremely Socialist minded due to his own actions, not his party affiliation.
6. As for Republicans supporting National Health Care laws, President or otherwise, this has nothing to do with me, I'm not Democrat or Republican, I'm an American, that knows when federal tax dollars are utilized for social programs, that is a component of Socialism, period.
7. I don't hate the President, but I do strongly disagree with his ideals and most of his actions thus far. He was elected for absolutely no reason, then GIVEN (did not earn) the Nobel Peace Prize, once again, for absolutely nothing.
8. If you want an explanation of why Republicans or Democrats flip flop, ASK THEM, as I stated before, I am neither.
9. Yes I do know what Communism is, it's an ideal for a small society to share all their belongings so that all members of the COMMUNE have everything they need due to the combined effort of all. Works very nice when you get to see where all your hard work benefits people, but when the GOVERNMENT STEALS your money (calling it taxes) and filters it through their system, absorbing nearly 90% of it, only to utilize a small amount for what it says it will accomplish, it doesn't work so well.
Now, would you like to take a reality pill and get back to me later?
Thank you, Ed, for keeping the heat on Rick Snyder's unconstitutional EFM law that steals democracy from our voters! Please come to Michigan! We need you!
Yes = Michigan as well as other states ;; Needs A Shield Against These DICTATORS !!!! It IS Un-believable that this country voted in All of these gop/re-baggers To Begin With ????!!!! UNBELIEVABLE !!!???? PITTYFULLL!!!! WHAT WERE,The Voters THINKING ?????
Does anyone realize that the ONLY thing Obama is trying to take credit for is "getting Osama bin Laden", as if the military and intelligence services weren't a factor?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Why won't Obama take responsibility for the nation's credit downgrading? What about the immense increasing national debt? It's past time to point fingers at "the other guys" and start doing something productive about the problems.
But no surprise, there are still plenty of people blissfully ignorant in their finger pointing, all the while the President and Congress, regardless of party affiliation, continue to screw the country royally.
Sounds As Though You are Describing gop/re=baggers in Most Of your Statement !!!!!
Because Obama wasn't responsible for the nation getting it's credit rating downgraded, the TEA Party was. Standard and Poor's gave their reason for the downgrading as the willingness of those in Congress who were willing to let our country default on ite debts rather than increase the debt ceiling. That was the TEA Party, not Obama...
G.W.Bush and company are responsible for that. Bush claimed the costs for his two wars, the tax cuts and Medicare Part D couldn't be estimated, which he used as an excuse to not include them in the National Budget. These programs ran for eight years, and all this time, Bush and Co. were spending money hand-over-fist, but as far as the Budget was concerned, NONE OF THESE PROGRAMS EXISTED!!!
Add to this, the fact the the Federal Reserve was literally giving money away to the Big Banks, which the banks turned around and used to buy high-interest government bonds at discount rates ($7.7 TRILLION worth!), all adding to the national Debt.
When Obama took office, he realized this was totally insane and probably criminal. He had all these costs put back into the National Budget, where they belonged. Instantly, trillions of dollars were added to the National Debt, and he had not spent ONE DIME of it! So, how does FOX News report this rise? "IT'S ALL OBAMA'S FAULT! IT WASN'T THERE UNDER BUSH, SO HE GETS THE BLAME!"
Give me a break! When will you TEA-baggers learn, Bush and the propaganda machine at FOX have been lying through their teeth at you, and you soak it all up like a sponge?
David, since when is the Tea Party running the government in any way, shape or form? Also, do you honestly believe that the best way to continue is for the government to continue it's downward spiral into the abyss of debt?!?!?!?!? Do you even understand that we ALREADY can't get out of debt for centuries to come? Had Obama or Bush either one, started making sensible spending cuts we could have started paying it off and seen some hope. But you and so many others are caught up in the whole "blame the other party" or "your guy screwed up so it's OK if mine does too" mentality you apparently miss the real problem.
If you'll recall, the U.S. was attacked 10 years ago, had we done nothing at all instead of going to war, how many more attacks would there have been by now do you think?
As for your assumption as to where I obtain my news, do you not realize that this is an MSNBC site, i also watch CNN, BBC and several other networks. Apparently though, unlike you, I have the ability to form my own opinions, instead of regurgitating them.
Your lips are moving... I can feel the wind... but I can't hear a word you're sayin'...
Pauly want a cracker?
David, great job of displaying your lack of ability to debate with any semblance of intelligence.
The "tea party" per se, is not "running the government. But their philosophy has taken over the GNOP. And, The GNOP controls 1/2 of the Legislative branch.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
T-800, I have no idea what the "GNOP" is, although I would guess it's likely your partisan way of defaming the Republican Party in some way. Please try to address the issues with some kind of logic and/or intelligence instead of mere partisanship.
Your assumption that the Tea Party is currently in control of the Republican Party somehow seems a bit flawed to me, since the basic premise of the Tea Party is not being effectively supported by them.
Just out of curiosity though, why would you support continual raising of revenues by Congress for so many ridiculous reasons? Foreign Aid, National Endowment for the Arts etc. when we are so deeply in debt?!?!?!?!? Is this how you run your personal finances? Why wouldn't you demand the same of the government?
LOL at the new sock name.
i see this one is trying to cover its tracks.
hmm....well DUH of course the president isn't responsible for pulling the trigger GW tracked and lost him Obama did not. This administration has seen remarkable value returned the mid east with the ousting Mubarak and Qaddafi, increasing sanctions on Iran and we won't be wasting money on governments like Pakistan for much longer.
Congress is responsible for the credit debt downgrade but according to the constitution only the legislature(them) has the power to tax and spend taxes not the executivel. So legally Obama couldn't have done anything if he even wanted to. If you actually read the S&P report they make it quite clear that it was the people involved and their persistence of waiting until the 11th hour to do stuff. The report also makes it clear that the cut it or shut it idea and the tea party's willingness to default scared them.
So in one breath you admit that he didn't pull the trigger (not that he did anything else either) but in the next breath you ASSUME that having gotten or lost Osama bin Laden fell directly on Presidential shoulders somehow. Get off the "blame Bush" bandwagon, you're a victim of a global smear campaign, like so many people who simply regurgitate the same pathetic rhetoric.
Last time I checked, Congress votes on laws, but the President signs them into law, or did your beloved Oracle get circumvented somehow? If you'd really like to check out blame, maybe you should analyze a bit more, G.W.B. was not a great POTUS by any means, but he did try to warn Congress of an impending financial meltdown due to the housing industry back in 2005.
Surely all this will fall on deaf ears and you will continue to praise the failure that B.O. truly is and continue to vilify G.W.B. utilizing half truths.
Paul didn't your know that Bush was friends with Bin Laden family. Bush didn't warn anyone in fact he cause it. Bush was a great failure to this country.
Palm, and Obama refuses to even prove his natural born citizenship, which is a requisite for the office of POTUS.
Many times throughout history, "friends" turnout to not be who people thought they were, but maybe that truism has escaped you somehow.
Get the F*** with the birther crap adn save for next Klan meeting. The FEC, Federal Election Commission documents all the necessary records in information on all federal election candidates. Thus if he did not prove he was a citizen as your racist propaganda claims he would have never been able to run in the first place.
But of course fools like you believe that white upper middle class evangelicals are the world's oppressed minority because of "islamic socialism" and all sorts of other comedic nonesense so thiss is really of no surprise to me at all
Paul your what's called an idiot not a patriot
Cynical, if he's provided it all, why won't he make it public? Additionally, where do you get the audacity to ASSUME I'm in any way a "racist"? Simply because I don't blindly follow and support the Oracle?!?!?!?!?!?
So I'm a white upper middle class evangelical as well?!?!?! That's strange, last time I checked, I was retired U.S. Army enlisted man, currently working in Afghanistan and an Atheist.
But you think it's ME that's the idiot, instead of yourself. You're pathetic assumptions and bias are very telling.
Your lips are moving... I can feel the wind... but I can't hear a word you're sayin'...
Pauly want a cracker?
Paul you familiar with the fact that the FEC records are public domain so there have always been public. One need only google the subject to see the certificate unless of you think everyone's just lying
So based on the obvious fact that the FEC did not at any point say he was not able run it's a pretty logical assumption that he's a citizen. I mean seriously unless we know otherwise there was never ever any reason to ask in the first place especially not three years after the election. Honestly even if he was do you think it's a little late to say he can't be president...
If you do not wish to be considered racist then one should not espouse racist(birther ideology) as the birther movement most certainly in racist to the core.
so if you want to see the records go find them but there's no reason to waste the public's time. The only reason people suggest Obama is a foreigner is to say because he is not white or does not have a "traditional" sounding name that he should be a second class citizen not the president. I can not tell you how many times people have said the only reason he won, or went to Harvard, or became a senator was because of affirmative action...because obviously nonwhites are smart enough to acheive any of these things on merit alone...it's f#$% stupid
There is no reason any one should insult the person in the oval office with fake scandalous attacks to get attention just because they are in a different party. This has been going on for the past 10+ years and it needs to stop right god damn now
So do you or do you not believe that upper middle class white christians are oppressed by "islamic socialism"? Yes or NO.
Cynical, are you familiar with the fact that I never claimed the title of "birther"? I merely pointed out one of many reasons to be suspicious of the current President, he has an extremely questionable background and has been on OJT since he took office. I never supported the election of B.O., he had and still doesn't have the qualifications or experience to lead anything, much less the greatest country on the planet, and his actions have displayed that quite well.
I couldn't care less about the melanin content of the Presidents dermal layers, or anyone else's for that matter, it would seem that distinction is mainly reserved for his rabid supporters. He could be purple like Barney for all I care, I disagree with his policies and apparent ideologies.
Your apparent assumption that the only reason anyone wouldn't agree with B.O. is because they're racists is the truly stupid concept here.
If you feel that nobody should insult the person in the oval office with scandalous attacks, did you feel this so fervently when G.W.B. was POTUS as well?
As for your out of left field question about "upper middle class white christians being oppressed by Islamic socialism", WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?!?!? I've spent nearly a decade of my life in Islamic countries, dealt extensively with Muslims and can tell you that they are not Socialists at all.
If walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. If you espouse birther ideology that's a pretty good sign your a birther. This president's contrary to your assertion has been quite thoroughly so to imply otherwise is a lie.
If you don't support Obama that doesn't make you a racist, when your party courts racism that well I'm sure you can complete the thought. IF you don't wished to identified as a racist disassociate yourslef from racists and racist ideals.
I'm not accusing of being a racist because you don't support Obama, you're being accused because you espouse long debunked myths ie that there is some chance the president is a foreigner, the cornerstone of birtherism. Birtherism is a racist ideology. There is no arguing against this.
Yes.
Go look up some glenn beck you'll find the phrase islamic socialism on lots of things, well that was until he tried to rebrand himself as some sort of serious nonconspiracy political commentator. But I digress...
Far right individuals in this country identify islam and socialism as being the greatests threats to the country. So naturally you blend them together...however the reality as you noted that islam is not possibly a socialist ideology doesn't factor in for them.
I can't tell you how many times I've people say they tired of being oppressed for being white. The tea party phrase "obama's plan=white slavery" clearly shows us that this is not as fringe one might like to think. People on the far right see themselves as being taargetted for liberal conspiracy attacks, that they are under real attack for what they believe. Who are the people on the far right, white evangelical middle class republicans.
Cynical, you apparently have "birtherism" which is merely an insistence that the President be a natural born U.S. citizen, confused somehow with "racism" which is a prejudicial ideology based on race, how anyone confuses those is beyond me.
When MY PARTY courts racism?!?!?!?!?!? Just what do you ASSUME "MY PARTY" to be anyway?
Don't care where you got the "Islamic Socialism" thing, it doesn't apply to me even slightly. As I write this from Kabul, Afghanistan, I will go to work and deal directly with LOTS of Muslims, as I do every day.
So now you assume me to be "far right" or an "evangelical republican" as well?!?!?!?!?! Wow, the asinine assumptions just flow from you very freely, don't they.
Your lips are moving... I can feel the wind... but I can't hear a word you're sayin'...
Pauly want a cracker?
open mouth
insert foot
Since when has there ever been a group devoted to a president's "natural born" status...too bad there already is one it's called the FEC and constitution. Based on the fact that the constitution requires someone be natural born to be president. So this can't possibly be an explanation for modern times as the constitution was written centuries ago.
Birtherism in truth is a racist idealogy which rests on the idea that obama and other african americans are too stupid to achieve without affirmative action....
We are three years later and people are still not convinced despite the by overwhelming evidence so at this point you've got to be racist or ignorant to buy into the birther crap
If Obama was ineligable to be president the FEC would have told us so because they did not is a pretty safe bet of citizenship unless you're saying that the FEC lied
people on the left usually aren't the ones to defend birther ideology
LOL cant wait until it espoused itself again.
What I wanna know that NOBODY knows is: If WI can RECALL their Guv,(and Thank you, WI, very much!) They live in that state! Why then can't all the CITIZENS of the USA RECALL the Obstructionists boehner, kantor, hensarling, and issa for starters? The Houses in Wash,, D.C. belong to all of us. They have to serve all of us! When they have sooo obviously lied to get the votes and NOT PRODUCE, work FOR US! They should be gone! I want these guys gone NOW! Actually, last week. Er, no two years ago I wanted them gone! If we can't do it we need to make it so! These guys are nuts.
Another thing we should be able to do is: To hell w/picture I.D. to vote! Gentian Violet on a finger PERIOD. THE PURPLE dye WILL NOT WASH OFF! Your fingerprints you have, you don't have to go any where to get 'em! When I go vote, I'm checked off the voter registration list to prove I'm in the correct precinct. That paper could be redesigned to accommodate the fingerprint. The prints should be held confidentially, as much as the voting records and computers.
But, really on the Wash., D.C. Houses should not be abused by Obstructionists or allowed . They are liars. Jobs, my butt. They have destroyed jobs.I don't wanna go over ANY huge, busy bridge and it breaks, like in Minneapolis!
FINALLY, someone who is actually outraged with Congress, albeit seemingly a partisan outrage.
Where is your outrage with Nancy Pelosi, or Frank or Dodd? Do you even know who imposed the regulations that caused the housing meltdown?
As for picture ID to vote, HELL YES, that MIGHT keep illegal aliens and the like from choosing our next national leaders.
Paul provide evidence of wide spread national voter fraud in federal elections to justify the legislative red tape that is meant to keep specific targetted groups from voting when unemployment is 9%
maybe if we just had less people like you the world would be a better place
"Paul the Patriot" - What a joke! "Paul the Parrot" is closer to the truth. Parrots don't think about what they say, they just mimic what they hear...
All right... Since I've already heard the lies you spout innumerable times, you're going on the 'lgnore' list. Blood pressure, you know...
David, ignorance is bliss, no doubt you're filled with bliss.
Your lips are moving... I can feel the wind... but I can't hear a word you're sayin'...
Pauly want a cracker?
Cynical, so I need to supply evidence of wide spread voter fraud for you to realize that non-citizens, felons or dead people should not be allowed to vote in U.S. elections?!?!?!?!?
So you figure less people like me would make the world a better place? Please quantify that statement, tell me exactly what it is about me that is so undesirable as a person in your opinion.
No Paul I'm insinuating less people like you existing might make the world a better place
When did I say illegals should vote? Nowhere. Luckily they don't seem to be voting under our current voting laws. Why should we change our voting laws which stop illegal voting if the laws are working? What possible benefit might there be to fix something which there is no evidence to conclude is broken?
Is it just a coincidence that the people who would not be able to vote under these new unnecessary regulations are people who overwhelming vote democrat? Something tells me that's not quite true.
So let's recap there's no evidence that non-citizens, felons, or dead people vote now therefore there does not need to be any new laws to stop them from voting.
Cynical, once again you make assumptions. Simply because you either are unaware of or refuse to accept evidence of voter fraud, does not mean it does not exist. Does your blind faith in the government know no bounds?
show the statistics that prove widespread voter fraud because all the studies I've found all say just the opposite. So if you contend that there in fact is real wide spread voter fraud the burden of proof is on you.
Now and if you actually do look it up, don't worry I won't say I told you so.
Cynical, the site will not allow me to post links for you, I wouldn't bother with anything from FOXNEWS due to your stated disapproval. Consider the fact that federal immigration laws are not enforced and it's a logical conclusion that these are voting laws are easy to treat in a similar way.
Simply google the phrase "2008 election voter fraud" and have a look around.
Well Paul I did in fact google as you recommended I know I'm surprised too....
However I have not seen any statistics, studies or reports which have shown any conclusive evidence of wide spread voter fraud. The only cases I have found after well considerable time searching have been in the hundreds and or statistically representing fractions of percents of total votes cast
It seems that most of the alleged voter fraud is with people using addresses which are not current, not knowing they in are not registered or eligable, and some sort of mechanical error however if you add all these cases together you still end up with numbers that are not likely to change the outcome of the election
If you have other specific sources I would be greatly interested in them as once again I have not found any thing even discussing potential voter fraud that shows these votes will change elections. However very little reputable information is available so you have a specific report "Report title, group, key word" and I'll look up but I've still found nothing
Thus based on the fact there seems to be very little fraud out there certainly not to levels that might change a national election it seems far more likely to me that the governors and legislature(republican controlled) are the only ones passing such measures and that the majority of the people who might loose the oppurtunity to vote are overwhelmingly groups that vote for democrats I find it far more likely that the aforementioned legislatures are just trying to stack the deck a little. Which given these GOP candidates(Bachmann, Cain, Romney) probably is a political logical move....
And federal immigration laws are enforced just not enough...but once again much like paying taxes which illegals clearly don't do I don't see them voting either. Plus since illegals are going to states that are Republican I can't imagine they could turn a state like TX or Az blue. Personally I find that a little funny because you know they're going to try to get as many of them counted in on a census so they can get more seats in the House or Rick Perry condemning the stimulus but taking money from it anyway.....But I digress
No widespread voter fraud is what I'm seeing take a look at "truth about voter fraud pdf" or "brennan center for justice" this seems to be the most detailed and nonbias source I seen but I will admit I haven't vetted them completely
Cynical, well if you are ONLY convinced by statistics, studies or reports......none of which are ever influenced by the people who make or take them, just like immigration laws are well enforced, right. Then you are likely too easily led by the government and once again are too willing to put your faith in it. Just out of curiosity, how much is "enough" enforcement of immigration laws in your opinion? What other laws should be marginalized as well, murder, extortion, grand theft auto?
This is the same government that is currently more than $15 Trillion in debt and increasing that number fast, isn't it.
Convince yourself that all is well with one party or another and vilify the opposition at every opportunity, as you are expected to do.
By the way, if you hadn't noticed, the one worthwhile Republican candidate has already been forced out of the race, both sides were obviously intimidated by Mr. Cain. But then, I'm probably once again a racist somehow in your eyes for having supported him.
No "widespread" voter fraud, not enough to influence a national election etc., not as far as you or anyone else is willing to take the time to prove at least, so I guess that makes it all OK, right.
By the way, if you hadn't noticed, the one worthwhile Republican candidate has already been forced out of the race, both sides were obviously intimidated by Mr. Cain. But then, I'm probably once again a racist somehow in your eyes for having supported him.
No you're an idiot for supporting Herman Cain. Sorry but I prefer my candidates to have a single day in office before becoming leader of the free world and who don't take speech writting tips from the Pokemon movie.
Anytime lack of evidence is held up to be evidence that what's called a conspiracy theory. So lack of proof of fraud means there's lots of fraud that's Glenn Beck logic. But if no one has really investigated it as you claim how do you know that there in fact is widespread voter fraud? It's certainly not impossible, voter fraud, but if there's no evidence why should any one believe you? So if someone was to go out and study this to your liking and discovered that there wasn't would you believe them because seem to be of the mindset that it is happening and nothing can ever convince otherwise. I've put evidence to support my position you have not.
After establishing a path to legal status for the millions who are already here registering, paying back taxes, taking citizenship tests, total enforcement.100%
drug possession and prostition and all other peaceful consent crimes, these morality laws have failed. We don't need an FBI, DEA, and ATF so I say majorily cut or consider closing the last two.
Well most people are convinced by actual evidence so, there's reality welcome to it. I after considering and probing a subject matter and investigating don't waste too much of my time supporting positions that there is no evidence to support. There is no evidence to support your position on widespread voter fraud, numerous groups like the Brennan Center for Justice, a seemingly nonpartisan clearly nongovernment entity have looked into the issue and found nothing. If there is evidence find, bring it but until then don't expect anyone to just believe because you feel it in your gut.
And we are to blame for that, we being the American people. The people in washington would never have been able to do that had we stopped them. The government is of, for and by the people if we were paying attention we could have stopped them. 15 trillion is just the cost of ignorance and apathy. We caused the problem and we will have to fix it or perish.
So I'm an idiot to support a guy that has Executive/Leadership experience and a proven record of success in that role(Herman Cain), but you're smart for supporting a man with absolutely none of that experience (Barack Obama) for the same office?!?!?!?!?!?!? Just how does that make any sense at all in your mind?
As for voter fraud and the "lack of proof", I read your supposed proof to the contrary from the Brennan center. It struck me as extremely limited and dismissive, much the way Obama addressed charges of anti-Americanism against him. Show me an actual investigation that has been done from a non-partisan group that definitively shows it's not a problem and sure, then I'll believe it. However, there are currently too many instances nationwide that keep coming to the surface that are indicators of such activity.
So you think that millions of illegal aliens should simply have their crime forgiven and be GIVEN citizenship?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I will agree that the war on drugs and illegality of prostitution should be ended, since I'm basically a Libertarian, but getting rid of the FBI, NO.
Yes, we are to blame for the government being so deeply in debt, or at least a very small percentage of the population. Also yes, the national debt is the cost of ignorance and apathy, which are the same reasons, along with political correctness run amok that we have currently have a President we actually know very little about and who refuses to answer so many questions about his very questionable life.
Obama had virtually no experience in public office, Cain has literally none. If Obama was and is not a good candidate for this reason Cain can't possibly be better. So if little is bad how is less better? Oh, and by the way I wanted Hillary and would have been fine with McCain(not McCain+Palin).
You can not assume voter fraud is a problem until you can prove it exists in the first place. What you're saying is that an investigation to be done to show it's not a problem even though it's not been proven to exists. You can not prove a negative, only that something else is happening. In short you've already concluded that it is a problem and have presented no evidence to support this. I will not believe that it is a problem someone proves that it's widespread, this has never been done. So the burden of proof remains on your insinuation, on your claim that it is happening. If it's happening, which is possible, why has no one proved it yet? I'm just not going to buy into an idea that something's happening just because you say so. If it's happening find the evidence and show it until then don't expect many to be convinced.
No I would, as most, contend that we would not be able to deport the millions of illegals without launching a massive spending project that we have no money to pay for. The government has the right to deport all of them however with a national debt as you said of around 15 trillion we simply don't have the resources to realistically make that happen without encuring massive debt or pushing law enforcement to the brink. So a system where illegals will come forward, pay the fee for back taxes that they have not paid, take and pass citizenship tests that all other immigrants must take and then receive a legal status. If they do not come forward after a certain period they forfeit their ability to earn citizenship and would be deported no exceptions.
I said cut the ATF and the DEA for their illegal activities and gigantic budgets I said nothing about getting rid of the FBI.
There are a lot of valid reasons to criticize this president but saying he is anti-american or wants to destroy America is just crazy. There are plenty of things not to like but this is just not valid or all that important considering that he's already president so it's a bit late...I mean it's like checking up on the cookies you're baking after they're already burnt, it does no good
The government is NOT the only place to obtain Executive and/or Leadership experience, Herman Cain still has INFINITELY more than Obama, and Herman Cain also has a proven track record of success.
Could it be the voting system is so immense and complex that it's been made nearly impossible to prove? The constant and widespread accusations of it must be mere coincidence though, right.
You might want to research a program that happened quite some time ago called "Operation Wetback", yes that really was the name. If you think that people who are already being given a free ride are going to come forward, that's simply unrealistic. At least 90% wouldn't even consider it.
Your opinion, but I strongly disagree, I firmly believe he is very anti-American and believes it should be "reformed" in a Socialist concept, moving toward Communism. But, he is merely a symptom of what is wrong with the country, he is an empty suit, nothing more, Congress is definitely the bigger problem.
Herman Cain would have been the easily the worst president in all history. Godfather's pizza does not give real government experience, this gets his speeches from Pokeman, I mean foreign policy....That 999 thing, not an economist alive who endorses that plan. By the way he stopped working for Godfather's a long time ago and has been a lobbyist for the decade.
The ridiculous legal concept I think I've ever heard. Think about this simple scenario if someone accused of a crime and no evidence is presented should they go free or go to prison? If it's impossible to prove then what grounds do you have to declare such a problem? You continually talk about these widespread accusations and present zero, once again you're arguement gets a hell of a lot stronger when you can actually name some instances.....or some real accusations. Honestly you're arguement is that because there's no evidence that this means it's clearly widespread? It's becoming clear just how much conspiracy logic you subscribe to
That doesn't change the reality of the cost or the fact that we have no money to pay it. Fact is it would balloon the budget and the debt so if we want to be closing budget loopholes and debt deporting a few million people is not a smart option.
If Obama hates america why did he run for president probably not something an antiamerican socialist terrorist is going to do. I'm sure you also believe cats jump bath tubs full water.
Lets see if Obama really cares about jobs or politics. Building the pipeline will create thousands of jobs...will help our economy....Everyone wants it...now it is in a bill by the GOP that will extend the payroll tax cuts and give the middle class more good things. You see, if Obama goes against it....he has been a big liar all along....about wanting to create jobs and working together. He told congress to do something....so they are doing it and he is going to veto it? Man, we got to get this guy out of here.
So long barak....time to get rid of your big house and big plane. Time to go home. You lie and do not mean anything you say. The GOP has the best idea and everyone knows it....even a lot of democratic senators....so too bad Harry. So long Obama. Veto this and see what happens.
this pipeline as I'm sure you're unaware will be running under a massive water source that effacts 1/3 of the farms in America so to postpone the project to make sure the chemicals won't pollute 1/3 of America's farms(that's where food comes from) is not ridiculous especially not from an industry has a long history and illegal activity and failure to self regulate
you don't actually know what your talking about, so sure do it, pollute america's food supply so when the bread lines start will agree to make your family last in line?
Come on Ed....big blow hard spinning Ed. Who is going to obstruct now? You do have to admit.....this plan the GOP is presenting is pretty good...even for you...gives all of your "workers" so stand up for so hard thousand and thousands of jobs on that pipeline. Good for your unions. Plus, it extends the payroll tax cut....and really helps the middle class.
So Ed, what are you going to say now? Lets hear it. Are you going to obstruct? Is Obama going to obstruct. There are a lot of dem senators for this. After it clears the house...I believe it will pass the senate. Why is Harry saying it would be dead when he doesn't even know that. It sounds like it may pass the senate. Is Harry obstructing now Ed? Is he against the "workers"????? Come on Ed. Checkmate.
Come on Ed....big blow hard spinning Ed. Who is going to obstruct now? You do have to admit.....this plan the GOP is presenting is pretty good...even for you...gives all of your "workers" so stand up for so hard thousand and thousands of jobs on that pipeline. Good for your unions. Plus, it extends the payroll tax cut....and really helps the middle class.
So Ed, what are you going to say now? Lets hear it. Are you going to obstruct? Is Obama going to obstruct. There are a lot of dem senators for this. After it clears the house...I believe it will pass the senate. Why is Harry saying it would be dead when he doesn't even know that. It sounds like it may pass the senate. Is Harry obstructing now Ed? Is he against the "workers"????? Come on Ed. Checkmate.
Funny is'nt it johnny that your teabagger morons refused to vote for high speed rail in this country that would have created a helluva lot of jobs but rather support a pipeline for the oil companies so they can get even MORE wealthy. And I forgot, once again holding the american people hostage to push their corrupt agenda thru.
John in TX johnny like most tea partiers doesn't realize that
these are major questions, this whole project has not been thought out
(To the tune of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home")
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg
Ye're an armless, boneless, chickenless egg
Ye'll have to be put with a bowl out to beg
Oh Johnny I hardly knew ye.
Paul the Patriot, he is doing a great job at debating! He is stating truth! Obama has no experience! And the things he continues to promise, like the things he promised in his State of the Union speech, will always just be a promise. He rarely gets any big work done! He is all talk and no action...he has no experience. And Obama's ideas of making this country more equal and making this country a Utopia is all wonderful...and extemely unrealistic.